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Offline Noldi400

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Re: YouTube Madness
« Reply #75 on: March 11, 2013, 11:10:18 AM »
Oh yes, as you know I am quite familiar with CNN911Fakes. I'm also familiar with Chev4206, who has to be the most deliberately offensive Youtube user of all time. In fact, they are so similar that I'm not sure they're not sock puppets of the same person. However CNN911Fakes seems slightly more gracious at times.

I hadn't seen your discussion with him on diving mixtures. Pure oxygen is actually quite toxic at high pressures, above about 2 atm or so. So while it is useful in helping N2 outgas from your body, it cannot be safely used below a depth of about 9 m. Its partial pressure must be limited, which at greater depths can only be done by adding diluent gases such as N2, He and even H2.

This was not understood by the WW2 German divers who were breathing pure O2. The British divers defending Gibraltar made use of this fact by taking their German opponents down until they went into convulsions. Apparently this property of pressurized oxygen was a tightly held British secret during the war.

The comments are in Hunchy's Moon Hoax Yes vid.

I told CNNetc that some diving rigs do use pure oxygen but they're expensive, complex, and require specialized training to use safely. I didn't even bother going into the computerized rigs that adjust the partial pressures of an oxygen-nitrogen-helium mix according to depth, since he denied even the concept of partial pressures.

It is surprising how quickly oxygen becomes toxic at increased pressures. Back when I was doing sport & rescue diving I never went below about 100 ft (3 atm absolute) which is well within limits for air but would almost certainly kill you as dead as a hammer in short order if you were breathing pure oxygen.

I even told CNN that he didn't have to take my word, he could just call his local hospital and talk to any respiratory therapist - they would tell him the same thing about partial pressures, but he did his usual thing of ignoring that in favor of twisting what I told him and, IMO, deliberately pretending not to understand what I was saying. I eventually got bored with him and dropped it; I can only argue with a fencepost for so long before dozing off.

That's interesting about the German/British divers. I hadn't heard that.
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Offline ka9q

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Re: YouTube Madness
« Reply #76 on: March 11, 2013, 12:12:16 PM »
German frogman never attacked Gibraltar, these attacks were carried by the the Italian navy, using equipment much more advanced that that of the RN (until it was copied).
Now I'm going to have to go back and check that reference. It seemed pretty specific.

Offline Abaddon

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Re: YouTube Madness
« Reply #77 on: March 11, 2013, 03:25:44 PM »
It doesn't have to be posted at JREF to qualify for a JREF Stundie.  Simply post the quote and provide a link to the original in this month's Stundie thread to make the nomination official.
Good idea. I'll do that.
I posted links for both. In future simply post links as text like "h t t p:// etc" with spaces. Someone over there will fix em.

ETA: Well until you can post your own.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2013, 03:28:05 PM by Abaddon »

Offline Dalhousie

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Re: YouTube Madness
« Reply #78 on: March 12, 2013, 04:15:34 AM »
German frogman never attacked Gibraltar, these attacks were carried by the the Italian navy, using equipment much more advanced that that of the RN (until it was copied).
Now I'm going to have to go back and check that reference. It seemed pretty specific.

Italian divers were the most advanced and successful in WW-II. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decima_Flottiglia_MAS#Chronicle_of_operations

The Germanys came relatively late to the concept and their operations were later and smaller scale.

Always happy to have contrary info though!
« Last Edit: March 12, 2013, 04:25:03 AM by Dalhousie »