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American Moon by Massimo Mazzucco
« on: August 24, 2020, 02:49:42 PM »


Has man really been to the moon? It’s been 50 years, and the debate rages on. For the firs time, a film compiles in a single piece of work, all the best evidence in favor of the moon landings and the evidence contrary to them. For the first time we can also analyze the Apollo pictures in detail, with the aid of some among the top photographers in the world. What was the Apollo project really? The biggest achievement in the history of mankind, or the biggest fakery of all times, watched on live television by more than half a billion people?
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Re: American Moon by Massimo Mazzucco
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2020, 06:09:47 PM »
There was a guy (with multiple accounts) over on Yahoo who used to spam the comment section of any and every story that was even tangentially related to NASA with references to this movie. I haven't watched it (3.5 hours is a bit much for a casual watch, and for a long time you had to buy it), just read some reviews of some of its content.  What is your opinion on it?

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2020, 09:53:10 PM »
I just skimmed the first hour. While it pays a lot more attention to the facts than most HBs, it still dismisses them incorrectly:

- Jim Webb's resignation was a mystery;
- Wally Schirra's resignation was a mystery;
- Werner von Braun's visit to Antarctica was suspicious;
- TV signals from the Moon could be faked;
- Lunar meteorites from Antarctica could be the source of the Apollo rocks...

That sort of rubbish.

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Re: American Moon by Massimo Mazzucco
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2020, 03:27:27 AM »
There was a guy (with multiple accounts) over on Yahoo who used to spam the comment section of any and every story that was even tangentially related to NASA with references to this movie. I haven't watched it (3.5 hours is a bit much for a casual watch, and for a long time you had to buy it), just read some reviews of some of its content.  What is your opinion on it?

It may come across as more fair and professional than most hoax films but it's still fucking wrong about almost everything in the end.

Like seriously, film and camera's jamming at 40 degrees Fahrenheit? I guess nobody told the thousands of people that took film photos AND 8/16/35mm motion picture film in Antarctica and other fucking cold places.

And of course it doesn't get that transfer of heat (Either to get hotter.or colder) would be very gradual. The TV camera on the LRV had a temp sensor and I haven't seen any greadings on it, but they never had to shut it down I believe...
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2020, 04:18:35 AM »
One guy who pushes this quite a lot runs a company called FlyBy news. He would fit into the hardcore category. Literally every time i have a discussion with him he pushes this video. I suspected it was his for a while in the same way Pascal pushes his videos

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2020, 04:37:32 AM »
Another guy who hangs a lot off this is called Rasa Vahirri. Not sure if his name is known in Hoax Circles

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Re: American Moon by Massimo Mazzucco
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2020, 12:06:57 PM »
Same old same old. There's nothing here. Apparently debunkers don't understand the subject enough to understand things properly.

It also does the usual trick of taking fragments of data in isolation and trying to use that as proof.

For example, the moon rocks. No, a moon rock on its own is not evidence of the Apollo landings. Corroborating film, TV and photgraphic images of that sample where the details in them match every orbital image ever taken since the missions, where the transmissions showing their collection were received by dishes pointing at the moon, where the hardware used to travel there and collect those samples has been imaged from lunar orbit along with other evidence of human activity at the landing sites, where images of Earth broadcast during those sample collection missions match exactly the images takn by weather satellites, where things behave exactly as they should in lunar gravity, all those things combined act as proof.

Likewise the LRRR. Yes, you can get a signal return from the moon, but not with the same level of response. Yes, unmanned proves could be a reflector, but we have evidence of the LRRR being placed and so on and so on and so on.
 
It does nothing but collate the usual suspects into one place. JAQs off for 3 hours and proves nothing. Starting from a premise of "it could have been faked" does not prove that it was.

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2020, 12:21:42 PM »
Okay, I was able to slog through about 45 minutes. It's definitely better produced than a lot of the HB videos, but it really does hit the bingo card pretty consistently: things taken out of context, jumps to conclusions (especially of the "it can only mean" variety), ignoring evidence, inventing or assuming other evidence or motives ...   As others have said, same old, same old.

I haven't gotten to the "photographic experts" part yet. I read somewhere (can't remember where right now) that at least one of the pictures the producers showed the photographers was a composite - it will be interesting to see if that's true, and if they disclosed that fact or not.

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Re: American Moon by Massimo Mazzucco
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2020, 02:14:28 PM »
Okay, I was able to slog through about 45 minutes. It's definitely better produced than a lot of the HB videos, but it really does hit the bingo card pretty consistently: things taken out of context, jumps to conclusions (especially of the "it can only mean" variety), ignoring evidence, inventing or assuming other evidence or motives ...   As others have said, same old, same old.

I haven't gotten to the "photographic experts" part yet. I read somewhere (can't remember where right now) that at least one of the pictures the producers showed the photographers was a composite - it will be interesting to see if that's true, and if they disclosed that fact or not.
The composite is the one made by Ed Hengeveld, with the full LM composited from several missions and the "sun" -bright spot- pasted in.

Ed actually told me he regrets making that composite now, because it has been used by hoaxers endlessly. It is put together with similar photos in the same map without any disclosure to the viewer or photography expert.
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Re: American Moon by Massimo Mazzucco
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2020, 01:12:45 AM »
Okay, I was able to slog through about 45 minutes. It's definitely better produced than a lot of the HB videos, but it really does hit the bingo card pretty consistently: things taken out of context, jumps to conclusions (especially of the "it can only mean" variety), ignoring evidence, inventing or assuming other evidence or motives ...   As others have said, same old, same old.

I haven't gotten to the "photographic experts" part yet. I read somewhere (can't remember where right now) that at least one of the pictures the producers showed the photographers was a composite - it will be interesting to see if that's true, and if they disclosed that fact or not.
The composite is the one made by Ed Hengeveld, with the full LM composited from several missions and the "sun" -bright spot- pasted in.

Ed actually told me he regrets making that composite now, because it has been used by hoaxers endlessly. It is put together with similar photos in the same map without any disclosure to the viewer or photography expert.

There's nothing he needs to regret.

There are plenty of resources showing (for example) the entire photographic record, and enough people like us who know the photos' numbering system. It's therefore reasonably straightforward to demand the ID of a claimed photo and cross check it against other records.

ETA: This thread is an example: https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1788.0
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