Author Topic: The Trump Presidency  (Read 125108 times)

Offline Zakalwe

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #2025 on: January 22, 2021, 05:22:05 AM »

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A lot of relatively affluent white people are about to be introduced to the uglier side of the American criminal justice system, and they aren’t going to understand.

Not only will it be shock because they think they're innocent, but probably also a shocking discovery that the wholesome, brave image that law enforcement wants to portray in general largely vanishes when you are accused and convicted of a crime and being dealt with by them.  Yes, Trumpsquatch finally got his organic num-nums.  But I agree a large number of other people are going to realize they really aren't as special as they thought they were, and that what those other folks were saying about police misconduct wasn't as farfetched as it sounded at first.

But on the plus side, there is the potential for meaningful police reform if someone other than the BLM community registers complaints for the same alleged behavior.


It must be quite the feeling of watching guys wearing FBI jackets walking up the drive of your nice twin-garage, 5 bedroom suburban house that's located in the nice (read "white") part of town ....

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/fbi-agents-raided-home-in-stone-oak-arrest-made?video=4363bf09-030b-4042-b888-65c08e960662&jwsource=cl

Add in the sinking feeling of realisation when they cart you away in handcuffs that your whole life is about to dramatically change for the worse forever, just because you were dumb enough to buy into a load of Facebook memes.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #2026 on: January 22, 2021, 01:05:29 PM »
There's evidence that local and state police in various parts of the United States have been infiltrated by white nationalists, racists, and other unsavory elements.  And there is evidence that the police unions that supply officers to these departments are corrupt in any of several ways.

Not so at the FBI.  It takes far more education and training to be an FBI field officer.  There is far more invasive screening of candidates.  (In fact, it's the FBI who investigated and uncovered the corruption and misconduct in local police forces.)  The FBI doesn't care that you're wealthy, white, and aligned with "blue lives" interests.  In this case, all they care about is that you participated in a riot in which a federal officer was killed.  On the flip side, it means they're not going to take any subject -- black or white, wealthy or poor -- into a back alley and beat him to death.  The problem that BLM organizations have is that affluent white people can't believe that local police treat people differently depending on these factors.  This is because their ordinary interaction with law enforcement is often preferentially cordial.  It takes cases like this where you're seen only as "criminal suspect" to provide evidence that local police may be the ones affording privilege.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #2027 on: January 23, 2021, 10:55:13 AM »
The more that comes out about the attack on the Capitol, the more it sounds like there was a serious and organised attempt to harm or kill legislators.  Some of the information here is very worrying :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/conspiracy-oath-keeper-arrest-capitol-riot/2021/01/19/fb84877a-5a4f-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

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Self-styled militia members from Virginia, Ohio and other states made plans to storm the U.S. Capitol days in advance of the Jan. 6 attack, and then communicated in real time as they breached the building on opposite sides and talked about hunting for lawmakers, according to court documents filed Tuesday.

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“We have about 30-40 of us. We are sticking together and sticking to the plan,” co-defendant Jessica Watkins, 38, an Army veteran, said while the breach was underway, according to court documents.

“You are executing citizen’s arrest. Arrest this assembly, we have probable cause for acts of treason, election fraud,” a man replied, according to audio recordings of communications between Watkins and others during the incursion.

And possibly most disturbing, given the reference :

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Some messages, according to the FBI, included, “Tom all legislators are down in the Tunnels 3floors down,” and “Go through back house chamber doors facing N left down hallway down steps.” Another message read: “All members are in the tunnels under capital seal them in. Turn on gas,” the FBI added.

From what I understand, there are still a lot of these so-called "militia" groups around, and I doubt we've seen the last of their attempts to disrupt the new administration.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #2028 on: January 23, 2021, 12:25:02 PM »
The more that comes out about the attack on the Capitol, the more it sounds like there was a serious and organised attempt to harm or kill legislators.  Some of the information here is very worrying :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/conspiracy-oath-keeper-arrest-capitol-riot/2021/01/19/fb84877a-5a4f-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

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Self-styled militia members from Virginia, Ohio and other states made plans to storm the U.S. Capitol days in advance of the Jan. 6 attack, and then communicated in real time as they breached the building on opposite sides and talked about hunting for lawmakers, according to court documents filed Tuesday.

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“We have about 30-40 of us. We are sticking together and sticking to the plan,” co-defendant Jessica Watkins, 38, an Army veteran, said while the breach was underway, according to court documents.

“You are executing citizen’s arrest. Arrest this assembly, we have probable cause for acts of treason, election fraud,” a man replied, according to audio recordings of communications between Watkins and others during the incursion.

And possibly most disturbing, given the reference :

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Some messages, according to the FBI, included, “Tom all legislators are down in the Tunnels 3floors down,” and “Go through back house chamber doors facing N left down hallway down steps.” Another message read: “All members are in the tunnels under capital seal them in. Turn on gas,” the FBI added.

From what I understand, there are still a lot of these so-called "militia" groups around, and I doubt we've seen the last of their attempts to disrupt the new administration.

Not only that, but there's also an active investigation into whether some Republican senators actually provided an unauthorised tour of the building prior to the rioting and attempted coup.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/15/us/impeachment-trump#the-capitol-police-are-investigating-whether-lawmakers-gave-pre-riot-building-tours-as-pelosi-names-leader-of-security-review
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