Author Topic: The Trump Presidency  (Read 80856 times)

Offline raven

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1125 on: July 26, 2020, 04:06:19 AM »
I don't think we're going to see collapse just yet, and there really isn't a rallying cry for a civil war, , but we are definitely seeing some cracks, more blocks coming out of the Jenga tower.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1126 on: July 26, 2020, 04:34:51 PM »
I have to disagree.

Here is a possible scenario: Trump is deliberately fueling the fires of unrest anywhere he can, and will use COVID-19 and the riots, etc, to "delay" the November elections, probably trying to invoke some type of emergency powers. This will be supported by die-hard Trump people but rejected by the majority. This will cause the civil war: some some government forces remaining 'loyal' to Trump, believing it to be the correct & legal thing to do, whilst other sections will see it as an illegal action. There will be lots of people who will arm themselves up and support Trump, and just as many will arm up and try to remove Trump. There will be clashes and mass bloodshed.

Sure, there will be pockets of calm in this sea of madness but overall the country will break apart into 'zones'.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1127 on: July 27, 2020, 06:05:59 AM »
Now that's a horrifying thought.
I'm not so sure it will go that way, though All knows the man has dictatorial tendencies to put it mildly, several have which have set bad precedent for down the road.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1128 on: July 27, 2020, 02:59:13 PM »
Here is a possible scenario: Trump is deliberately fueling the fires of unrest anywhere he can, and will use COVID-19 and the riots, etc, to "delay" the November elections, probably trying to invoke some type of emergency powers.....
I'm sure someone has explained to Trump that his term ends (along with the VP's and House Speaker's) on January 2021 unless he is re-elected.  The constitution provides for a new president (Pres of the Senate?) if the election does not happen or there is some other reason for the office to be vacant. 

The only way for Trump to remain in office without an election is for the constitution and other liberties to be suspended.  If he does not depart the White House, then I'm certain no matter who the new president is, he or she will have the Secret service arrest trump and take him away.   


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1130 on: July 29, 2020, 07:42:44 AM »
I'm sure someone has explained to Trump

I guess there is a lot of stuff that has been explained to the Orange One... about as successful as explaining Vacuum to moonman.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1131 on: July 30, 2020, 11:28:50 AM »
The constitution provides for a new president (Pres of the Senate?)...

Speaker of the House of Representatives, then the President pro tempore of the Senate (because the nominal President of the Senate is identically the Vice President).  The offices of President and Vice President may be vacant, precisely because of the circumstances that may arise in how they are filled.  But because the leaders of the respective houses of Congress are elected by their members, and that election can sustain the absence of some number of members, the line of succession is especially resilient.

Unlike in the U.K., the Speaker of the House in the U.S. retains his party affiliation.  Speaker Nancy Pelosi's term as a Member ends at the same time Donald Trump's term as President, hence also does her speakership.  But she is predicted to be re-elected, and the Democrats are predicted to retain their majority in the House.  In any case, it is highly likely that the Speaker of the House in 2021 will be a Democrat, and will have full authority to evict Donald Trump, by force if necessary.
"Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1132 on: July 30, 2020, 01:50:13 PM »
"Wise men speak because they have something to say!" "Fools speak, because they have to say something!" (Plato)

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1133 on: July 30, 2020, 04:20:29 PM »
Uk press.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975

That's the first step. Now Trump supporters will be saying "Yeah! This election is rigged! It needs to be delayed!" Of course, people are going to point out that the Constitution says he can't do that.... but this is where he'll get himself "...extraordinary powers for extraordinary times...".

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1134 on: August 02, 2020, 04:28:51 PM »

That's the first step. Now Trump supporters will be saying "Yeah! This election is rigged! It needs to be delayed!" Of course, people are going to point out that the Constitution says he can't do that.... but this is where he'll get himself "...extraordinary powers for extraordinary times...".

They'll also have to conveniently ignore the states (not to mention countries) that already use mail-in voting, and don't have problems with it. Just like they had to with the "lots of cases" of voter fraud that were claimed, and yet almost none were ever found, including by Trump's own commission.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1135 on: August 02, 2020, 10:16:32 PM »
Neither Trump nor his supporters let facts get in the way of their assertions (and unfortunately that includes quite a few Republicans, I believe). While here in Canada we're have our own scandal - the WE charity issue - politics in Canada seems to be well above that in the U.S. - so far.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1136 on: August 03, 2020, 05:03:52 PM »
Speaker Nancy Pelosi's term as a Member ends at the same time Donald Trump's term as President, hence also does her speakership.

I don't think so.  The new congress comes in on January 3rd, the new president (assuming there is one) comes in on January 20th.

In fact, the electoral votes that officially determine who is and who is not president, will be counted by the new congress, not the old one.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1137 on: August 03, 2020, 05:29:35 PM »
I don't think so.  The new congress comes in on January 3rd, the new president (assuming there is one) comes in on January 20th.

In fact, the electoral votes that officially determine who is and who is not president, will be counted by the new congress, not the old one.

Ah, yes.  We do get a new Congress before we get a new President.  So whoever is elected Speaker by the incoming House of Representatives will be the successor should the office of President be vacated on Jan. 20, however that may occur.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1138 on: August 04, 2020, 12:16:11 AM »

That's the first step. Now Trump supporters will be saying "Yeah! This election is rigged! It needs to be delayed!" Of course, people are going to point out that the Constitution says he can't do that.... but this is where he'll get himself "...extraordinary powers for extraordinary times...".

They'll also have to conveniently ignore the states (not to mention countries) that already use mail-in voting, and don't have problems with it. Just like they had to with the "lots of cases" of voter fraud that were claimed, and yet almost none were ever found, including by Trump's own commission.
A good demagogue never lets something as insignificant as facts get in the way of their spiel and narrative.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1139 on: August 04, 2020, 04:10:08 AM »

That's the first step. Now Trump supporters will be saying "Yeah! This election is rigged! It needs to be delayed!" Of course, people are going to point out that the Constitution says he can't do that.... but this is where he'll get himself "...extraordinary powers for extraordinary times...".

They'll also have to conveniently ignore the states (not to mention countries) that already use mail-in voting, and don't have problems with it. Just like they had to with the "lots of cases" of voter fraud that were claimed, and yet almost none were ever found, including by Trump's own commission.
A good demagogue never lets something as insignificant as facts get in the way of their spiel and narrative.

Aint that the truth!


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