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General Discussion / Re: The Artemis Program
« Last post by jfb on Today at 09:59:38 AM »
And now I'm reading reports that Boeing has warned staff at a meeting last Friday that Artemis may be cancelled.

Phrases like "sunk cost" and "about time" are sort of floating around in my head.
This makes no sense to me for if everyone remembers Trump wanted to have NASS accelerate Artemis in his first term to get boots on the ground or at least Moon manned orbital operations.  Now more than likely this was an objective to put a feather in Trumps' cap.  So to have discussions that Artemis would be cancelled doesn't fit.  Perhaps a re-tooling of the mission might be in order were SpaceX would play a different/larger part would make more sense.

Rational person reasoning doesn't apply anymore.  We're in full clown-shoes brigade mode.

Trump says whatever he needs to in the moment to get what he wants at that moment.  He has no long term plan beyond advancing his personal interests.  He doesn't care about the Artemis program beyond how it makes him look right now.  If it makes him look good right now, keep it funded.  If it doesn't make him look good right now, cancel it. 

That's all the reasoning you need. 
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General Discussion / Re: The Artemis Program
« Last post by Peter B on Today at 07:27:09 AM »
And now I'm reading reports that Boeing has warned staff at a meeting last Friday that Artemis may be cancelled.

Phrases like "sunk cost" and "about time" are sort of floating around in my head.
This makes no sense to me for if everyone remembers Trump wanted to have NASS accelerate Artemis in his first term to get boots on the ground or at least Moon manned orbital operations.  Now more than likely this was an objective to put a feather in Trumps' cap.  So to have discussions that Artemis would be cancelled doesn't fit.  Perhaps a re-tooling of the mission might be in order were SpaceX would play a different/larger part would make more sense.

Heh, you're applying "logic" here. Who knows whether Trump even remembers his NASA plans from his first term. And even if he does, there's now a distinct aroma of Musk in the Oval Office...
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Apollo 11 photography debrief
« Last post by TimberWolfAu on February 11, 2025, 06:13:17 PM »
Saw the cover page of the first link and I swear I have this one, need to check once off work.

Still, there's actually a response to a HB complaint from Apollo 11; IIRC, there's 'issues' with the photos of the plaque on the leg because one photo is too dark but the next one is well lit. The argument being 'how could Armstrong know to change the settings if they didn't develop the film until after they got back? How did he know it was too dark?', yet right at the beginning of the debrief we have Armstrong saying how if they thought the picture would be important, they took multiple with different settings.

As usual, it seems like all the answers are out there if people are willing to look.
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General Discussion / Re: The Artemis Program
« Last post by bknight on February 11, 2025, 01:46:28 PM »
And now I'm reading reports that Boeing has warned staff at a meeting last Friday that Artemis may be cancelled.

Phrases like "sunk cost" and "about time" are sort of floating around in my head.
This makes no sense to me for if everyone remembers Trump wanted to have NASS accelerate Artemis in his first term to get boots on the ground or at least Moon manned orbital operations.  Now more than likely this was an objective to put a feather in Trumps' cap.  So to have discussions that Artemis would be cancelled doesn't fit.  Perhaps a re-tooling of the mission might be in order were SpaceX would play a different/larger part would make more sense.
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The Reality of Apollo / Apollo 11 photography debrief
« Last post by onebigmonkey on February 11, 2025, 06:31:47 AM »
Was searching for other things and came across a document I'd not seen before:

https://repository.hou.usra.edu/items/3d7cdcb1-602b-4233-bedb-c91596c83475

It's a transcript of a debrief of photography (and other EVA matters) held a week after the much more wide ranging technical debrief. It has some interesting comments on ease of mobility, surface conditions, using the camera.

There's a similar one for Apollo 16:

https://repository.hou.usra.edu/items/7c0df2e3-1f29-4e9e-a885-2a5a4e5955b5

All sorts of obscure docs on there  :)
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Book Review/New Book!!
« Last post by TimberWolfAu on February 11, 2025, 02:21:23 AM »
I like scrolling through some of the old threads, when they remind me of something I meant to search out. On that note;

New book!!

"The Moon as Viewed by Lunar Orbiter'

Has a nice section at the beginning about the equipment used too.

Which reminds me, what was it with NASA and green books? So many books from that time period seem to have green covering.
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Other Conspiracy Theories / Re: HBO Miniseries From the Earth to the Moon
« Last post by Dalhousie on February 10, 2025, 03:29:04 AM »
I searched for and didn't find any post newer than about 4 years, so I thought I would start a new thread.
I watched for the first time the first few episodes of this miniseries. 

I first watched it in 2002, and probably rewatched every year or two since.  It's amazing.
Yes it presents a more personalized viewpoint of the program.  I enjoyed it also and will most likely view it again in the future.

Keep us posted!
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General Discussion / Re: The Artemis Program
« Last post by LunarOrbit on February 09, 2025, 01:33:11 PM »
Do you the Trump administration will reduce NASA funding substantially, or dissolve it completely?

I think any Earth climate science done by NASA (past & present) is almost certainly going to be gone. Any other science that doesn't have clear practical value (Hubble, JWST) is on thin ice. Trump doesn't value science and won't want the government to fund things just for the sake of learning about the universe.

NASA will probably continue to exist, but only to bring glory to dear leader by showing the power of the US.

I wouldn't even count on NASA to do anything about asteroid 2024 YR4 unless it is likely to affect Donald Trump personally somehow. Maybe the rest of the world will have to pay a ransom to get the US to do something about it.
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General Discussion / Re: The Artemis Program
« Last post by Luke Pemberton on February 09, 2025, 11:11:17 AM »
And of course Elon Musk, head of the Department of Government Efficiency just happens to know a company that can get us back to the moon for a fraction of the price. What a coincidence.

Do you the Trump administration will reduce NASA funding substantially, or dissolve it completely?
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General Discussion / Re: The Artemis Program
« Last post by LunarOrbit on February 09, 2025, 12:51:41 AM »
And of course Elon Musk, head of the Department of Government Efficiency just happens to know a company that can get us back to the moon for a fraction of the price. What a coincidence.
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