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Title: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Peter B on July 12, 2022, 08:02:33 AM


Not a bad video, a couple of little errors.

And lots of wingnuts in the comments...!
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: PDI-11 on July 12, 2022, 01:41:34 PM
I think that video is fake! Other than a few obvious cuts, the narrator talks continuously and never pauses to take a breath.  :) Forget about the probability of the moon landing. How did the narrator do that?!

I checked the playback speed many times to make sure it was at normal speed. There is literally hardly a moment without any narration. Maybe the video was recording as a slower speed, then sped it up for the playback, but the editor got the speed wrong (or did it on purpose to make us suspicious.)
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Jeff Raven on July 12, 2022, 02:12:32 PM
I think that video is fake! Other than a few obvious cuts, the narrator talks continuously and never pauses to take a breath.  :) Forget about the probability of the moon landing. How did the narrator do that?!

I checked the playback speed many times to make sure it was at normal speed. There is literally hardly a moment without any narration. Maybe the video was recording as a slower speed, then sped it up for the playback, but the editor got the speed wrong (or did it on purpose to make us suspicious.)

Silly, he's using the same equipment that the astronauts used to breathe on the Moon, survive the hellish radiation of space and the Van Allen belts, and also allowed Nixon to phone another celestial body.  C'mon, that's obvious!    ;D
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Jeff Raven on July 12, 2022, 02:15:10 PM


Not a bad video, a couple of little errors.

And lots of wingnuts in the comments...!

Yeah, saw this one one a couple days ago, and have been very tempted to create a login for YT just to address the knuckleheads. Not only did they obviously not watch the video (they ask about things that were specifically addressed) but they are just spouting the same, tired rhetoric.
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Ranb on July 13, 2022, 02:57:27 AM
That Youtube channel is entertaining, but I think they are rather lax in fact checking some of the subjects they discuss.  I used to be subscribed to that channel, but lost interest due to their "style over substance" way of doing things.
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Peter B on July 13, 2022, 05:09:17 AM
Oh, and Expattaffy has just posted a comment...
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Jeff Raven on July 13, 2022, 07:21:13 PM
Oh, and Expattaffy has just posted a comment...

Yeah, he's posted at least a couple, each going to a different image.  The most recent one I saw had a shorter field of view, but the first one showed a nice long terrain shot. I was tempted to ask him what he thought the problem was, but remembered some of his posts here, and decided I didn't need that aggravation.
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Jeff Raven on July 13, 2022, 07:26:07 PM
That Youtube channel is entertaining, but I think they are rather lax in fact checking some of the subjects they discuss.  I used to be subscribed to that channel, but lost interest due to their "style over substance" way of doing things.

As Peter B pointed out, there are a few obvious ones in this one, and I agree that it detracts from the overall video.  The presenter saying kilometers instead of miles when he gave the average distance to the moon is understandable given where he's from, but mispronouncing Ed White's last name (he got it right later) was something that should have been caught, and giving the planned launch date for Apollo 1 as the date of the fire made it seem like whoever wrote the script just did a quick search, saw that date, and went with it.

In general I find their videos entertaining, but as you said, they aren't always fact-checked well.
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Jeff Raven on August 28, 2022, 03:00:12 PM
I was over in the comment section for this video, and somebody posted this question. I was hoping somebody might be able to answer it? (Ignoring the innuendo about the script)

If you listen to the Apollo 11 launch the person telling all about what was happening during the launch, the announcer, sounds a whole lot like the host of this video, in that the host of this video is obviously reading a prepared script for he hardly took a breath in over 30 minutes of his rapid talking. After listening to the Apollo 11 countdown a few times it appears to me that the announcer is reading from a prepared script in that he doesn’t miss a beat and is as smooth as a cucumber when announcing the first ever attempt to land a man on the Moon. Notice he always begins each segment with “this is Apollo Saturn launch control” and ends each segment with “this is Kennedy launch control” why have two different launch control statements?

I looked for some information on it, and in the Apollo Flight Journal (https://history.nasa.gov/afj/ap11fj/01launch.html) it does seem like the PAO started his statements with "This is Apollo Saturn Launch Control" and ended them with "this is Kennedy Launch Control" or occasionally just "this is Launch Control."  Was there a reason for using this seeming protocol?  What popped into my head is that perhaps the former is used to identify the mission, while the latter is to identify the location, in particular if they might be followed by or handing off to, say Houston. But that's just spitballing on my part.

Does anyone know why this appeared to be the standard practice? I'd love to be able to give that person who posted the question a clear and informed answer, rather than just my speculation.

As always, I appreciate being able to pick your brains! 
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Grashtel on August 28, 2022, 10:28:12 PM
I would not be in the least surprised if the announcer had prepared ahead of time rehearsing it and quite likely having a script for it.  Its not like NASA hadn't done other Saturn V launches so knew what to expect if things went as planned and would want the announcement of it to go smoothly so long as things were going as expected
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Peter B on August 29, 2022, 06:46:01 AM
It's a good question, even if the commenter's heart might be in the wrong place. (I'd also object to the idea the announcer was constantly talking - if you read the transcript there are long breaks between statements even within minutes of the launch.)

But yes, it makes sense to me that the announcer would have been reading from a script, but it was almost certainly one which got amended and updated on the run.

Consider, for example, the announcer occasionally mentions temperatures and wind speeds. If I were writing the script I'd leave blanks to be filled in when that data became available. By contrast, previously established information, such as biographical information about the astronauts, could easily be typed up days ahead of time.

Given the vast number of things happening simultaneously in the launch process, I imagine the announcer would have had a rich choice of items to choose from to mention in each update. As I read through the comments, and not knowing much about the systems of the spacecraft or the launcher, the things which do get mentioned seem a fairly random selection to me.

The other thing to consider is that the announcer would hardly have been working alone. I could well imagine he'd have a team of two or three gophers whose jobs would include listening in to the chat on the loops for anything unusual which might be of interest. For example, about an hour before lift-off the announcer mentions something about a problem with a valve in the third stage, and describes the planned solution. A couple of announcements later he says the problem has been fixed. I assume those comments would be scribbled down by the gophers and inserted into the script for the announcer to read.

A test for my theory is the hold in the count for the launch of Apollo 17. There, the announcer is, to me at least, very clearly having to improvise what to say, and what he says isn't nearly as smooth or interesting as the other comments, at least until he has further information to report.

Having said all that, it seems to me the announcer was also perfectly happy to edit things on the run. The transcript for the launch of Apollo 11 shows the announcer supposedly quoting Armstrong - "It's been a real smooth countdown" and "It feels good" - within the last minute before launch. Now, I assume the AFJ transcript is as complete as it can be in terms of what the crew said to Launch Control, yet there's no record of Armstrong saying either of those things. Collins says "Sure have been a nice smooth countdown, Skip", but I can't find any of the crew saying anything much like "It feels good."
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Jeff Raven on August 29, 2022, 07:52:04 AM
Appreciate the replies, and I agree that the PAO likely had things prepared both from a "I want to be accurate" perspective and, as you said, that there will be breaks, etc., and he would have to improvise.

I can see I wasn't as clear in my original comment as I meant to be. Let me clarify. I was entirely ignoring the original commenter's part about the script, as it felt like it might have been a subtle jab at the possibility of things being faked. I suppose I shouldn't have put that part in parentheses. The same for him speaking nonstop. The video the comment has a host who speaks rather rapidly with few breaks for breath. Many in that comment section asked some version of, "Why/How are you speaking so quickly?"

My primary question is about the apparent protocol of starting each statement with "This is Apollo Saturn Launch Control" and ending with "this is Kennedy Launch Control" or occasionally just "this is Launch Control."  Was there such a protocol, and if so what was the reason? It seemed very consistent, so I'm curious why it was done that way.

Again, apologies for not making my original post more clear.
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Peter B on August 29, 2022, 08:47:42 AM
Hey, nothing to apologise about! It was fun poking around the AFJ just in its own right - because if nothing else I've learned new stuff about Apollo.

To go to your main question - obviously I can't answer it. But it was really noticeable in the AFJ Apollo 17 launch page the way the announcer spoke the way you described: "This is Apollo Saturn Launch Control...[makes commentary]...this is Kennedy Launch Control." So noticeable that it really stood out when once he said "...this is Kennedy Test Control."

So I assumed this was some standard wording worked out by the announcer...then I checked the AFJ Apollo 15 launch page. And each comment was: "This is Kennedy Launch Control...[makes commentary]...this is Kennedy Launch Control."

So now I assume it was a personal sign-off scripted by the announcer (and I'm assuming there were different announcers for different missions).
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 30, 2022, 02:16:06 AM
Pretty much standard practice now for any launch to be accompanied by some prepared hyperbole that someone thought would read well in a press release or sound good on a news bulletin.

Given that mission timelines were written down with a high degree of precision it's not surprising that all the key events were written down to be read out. Anything ad libbed might sound scripted when done byby someone who knew what they were doing and was good at their job.

The 'This is Kennedy Launch control...' intro outro thing serves as both a snazzy piece of audio and also clearly marks out what is info for waiting journalists and so on from the chatter of mission control and astronauts.
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Kiwi on August 31, 2022, 04:34:20 AM
In case it's any use, here's a transcript of the Apollo 11 launch I did back in 2006-2008.

Jack King, the Public Affairs Officer, certainly doesn't talk non-stop, except for the last minutes before launch. At times he was silent for many minutes. And in between 36 and 31 minutes in the countdown Houston PAO, Jack Riley, comments.

My own thoughts on hearing the PAO's comments since July 1969 are that they were incredibly professional, very knowledgeable and extremely valuable to we laypeople who needed their help.

Apollo 11 Voice Transcripts

16 to 24 July 1969


Compiled from three NASA documents
Apollo 11 Technical Air-To-Ground Voice Transcription (Goss Net 1)
Apollo 11 Onboard Voice Transcription
ApolIo 11 Spacecraft Commentary

Filenames
AS11_TEC.PDF
AS11_CM.PDF
AS11_PAO.PDF
at
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/mission_transcripts.htm

Compiled and edited by
Doug Bennett, 61 Punga Street, Tangimoana, Manawatu 4822, New Zealand
December 2006 to June 2008

Caution
The original documents contain many errors and typos which, where known, have been corrected, but it is likely there are more,
so the accuracy of this document cannot be guaranteed and further research is advisable where accuracy is required.
The compiler would appreciate being advised of any errors and useful additions.



A series of three dots (...) is used to designate those portions of the communications that could not be transcribed because of garbling.

One dash (-) is used to indicate a speaker's pause or a self-interruption and subsequent speaker or a point at which a recording was terminated abruptly.

Two asterisks (**) are used to show the times of important events in the mission.


- 28:00:00   ** Terminal countdown started.

- 9:00:00   ** Scheduled 11-hour hold at T minus 9 hours.

- 9:00:00   ** Countdown resumed at T minus 9 hours.

- 3:30:00   ** Scheduled 1-hour 32-minute hold at T minus 3 hours 30 minutes.

- 3:30:00   ** Countdown resumed at T minus 3 hours 30 minutes.

- 2:40:40   PAO Launch Control (Jack King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. T minus 2 hours 40 minutes 40 seconds and counting. At this time the prime crew for Apollo 11 has boarded the high-speed elevator from inside the A level in the mobile launcher, which is the second level inside the launcher. This is a high-speed elevator, 600 feet per minute, which will carry them to the 320-foot level, the spacecraft level. Shortly we'll expect astronauts Neil Armstrong and Michael Collins to come across swing arm 9, the Apollo access arm, and proceed to the white room and stand by to board the spacecraft. The third member of the crew, astronaut Edwin Aldrin, will be the last one to board the spacecraft, will stand by in the elevator, seated in a chair, while his two comrades first board the spacecraft. Once Armstrong, who sits in the left-hand seat, and Collins, who will sit in the right-hand seat during liftoff, are aboard, then Aldrin will be called and he will take his seat, the middle seat in the spacecraft. The spacecraft Commander Neil Armstrong and the Command Module Pilot Michael Collins, now proceeding across the swing arm into the small white room that attaches at the spacecraft level. In the meantime, about a hundred feet below we have a technician, a team of technicians, working on a leaking valve which is a part of the ground support equipment, a part of the system that's used to replenish the fuel supply for the third stage of the Saturn V rocket. He is proceeding to tighten a series of bolts around this valve, in the hope that this will correct the leak. Once the technicians do depart the hydrogen will again be flowed through the system to ensure that the leak has been corrected. The spacecraft Commander Neil Armstrong and CMP, the Command Module Pilot, Mike Collins, now  standing by in the white room.

- 2:38:45   PAO (King): T minus 2 hours 38 minutes 45 seconds and counting.  This is Launch Control.

- 2:34:44   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. T minus 2 hours 34 minutes 44 seconds and counting. The spacecraft Commander Neil Armstrong now aboard the Apollo 11 spacecraft at the 320-foot level at the pad. We have it logged having the commander go over the sill into the cabin at 6:54 a.m. Eastern Daylight. Since that time the commander has now been tied into the system and has checked in over the communication lines. He was wished a "Good morning," by the Spacecraft Test Conductor Skip Chauvin, and Armstrong, in return, said, "It looks like a good morning."

- 2:30:55   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. T minus 2 hours 30 minutes 55 seconds and counting. Right on the hour the Command Module Pilot, astronaut Michael Collins, who will be sitting on the right-hand side of the spacecraft during liftoff, boarded the spacecraft. We had it logged at 7 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time.

- 2:23:46   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. T minus 2 hours 23 minutes 46 seconds and counting. The third member of the Apollo 11 prime crew now aboard the spacecraft.  We had it logged at 7:07 a.m Eastern Daylight Time when astronaut Buzz Aldrin boarded the spacecraft.  He'll sit in the middle seat during liftoff.

- 1:30:55   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. T minus 1 hour 30 minutes 55 seconds and counting. All elements are Go with the countdown at this time, the countdown aimed at landing two astronauts on the Moon. At this time the Spacecraft Test Conductor Skip Chauvin going through some checks with astronaut Mike Collins aboard the spacecraft. We're winding up this important emergency detection system test that Neil Armstrong has been participating in. Meanwhile, at the 320-foot level the closeout crew now placing the boost protective cover over the hatch now that we have completed the cabin purge and have the proper cabin environment inside the cabin. We have also performed leak checks to assure ourselves that the cabin atmosphere is valid. This boost protective cover is used during the early phases of a powered flight and it is jettisoned with the escape tower shortly after second stage ignition. Here in the firing room the launch vehicle test team's still keeping a close eye on the status of the propellants aboard the Saturn V launch vehicle. We're back to 100 percent supply with the liquid hydrogen fuel in the third stage.  We've actually bypassed the valve that we are maintaining our hydrogen supply aboard the vehicle. All aspects Go, the weather is very satisfactory this morning, a thin cloud cover about 15,000 feet, temperature at launch time expected to be about 85 degrees.

- 1:29:30   PAO (King): At T minus 1 hour, 29 minutes, 30 seconds and counting, this is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 1:20:55   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. T minus 1 hour, 20 minutes, 55 seconds and counting. All is still Go with the countdown for Apollo 11 at this time. At this point in the countdown Spacecraft Commander Neil Armstrong once again appears to be the busiest worker in the spacecraft as he is performing a series of alignment checks associated with the guidance system in the spacecraft. He is working these checks with the spacecraft test conductor as the test conductor reads out the various procedures and Armstrong responds to them. The astronauts aboard the spacecraft also were informed by the spacecraft conductor a short while ago that the launch vehicle is Go at this time. The hydrogen problem that we did encounter earlier has been solved. That is real good news said Armstrong and then he went back to work shortly thereafter. We are now coming up on the 1 hour, 20 minute mark in the countdown. This is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 1:11:55   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. T minus one hour, 11 minutes, 55 seconds and counting. The countdown for Apollo 11 still going very satisfactorily at this time. In most cases we're a matter of five or ten minutes ahead of the countdown procedures. The crew in the white room at the 10 and 20 foot level who have been aiding the astronauts up to this time are just in the process of finishing up their work. They've been advised by the spacecraft test conductor that they'll probably be able to move out in about three minutes or so. Once this is accomplished, once the close-out crew does depart, we'll be ready to move that swing arm back - swing arm 9. It will be moved 12 degrees away from the spacecraft hatch which is about five feet away from the hatch. Once this is accomplished, we will arm the pyrotechnic systems in the spacecraft so in the event of a possible catastrophic condition below them, the launch vehicle, while still on the pad, the astronauts could fire that escape rocket and separate from the rocket in difficulty. The close-out crew are about to depart at this time. That swing arm remains about 12 degrees away from the spacecraft hatch as mentioned - five feet or so until the 5-minute mark in the count when it's fully retracted to its fall-back position. The obvious reason here is in the event we do have to get the astronauts out in a hurry, the swing arm is in a stand-by position and could be moved rapidly back to the hatch - to the hatch level so the astronauts could depart in the event of an emergency.

- 1:10:20   PAO (King): We're coming up on T minus 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 20 seconds. This is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 1:07:25   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control at 1 hour 7 minutes 25 seconds and counting, countdown still proceeding satisfactorily. For those people who would like to synchronize their watches in relation to the count, we'll synchronize on 26 minutes past the hour, which is now about 65 seconds away. We'll count down the last five seconds to 26 minutes past the hour. We're now one minute away from 26 minutes past the hour. In the meantime, we do have information from the Civil Defense Agency in the area. The estimate is more than a million persons are in the immediate area in Brevard County to watch the launch. Now 40 seconds away from 26 minutes past the hour. Civil Defense Agency reports further, that there is extensive heavy traffic, a number of traffic jams, particularly in the area of Titusville and the U.S. 1 and Route 50. Countdown still progressing satisfactorily. 15 seconds away from 26 minutes. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 -

- 1:05:55   PAO (King): Mark. 8:26 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time. We're now 1 hour 5 minutes 55 seconds and counting as it was announced at that point. This is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 1:01:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn launch control. T minus 61 minutes and counting - T minus 61 minutes on the Apollo 11 countdown, and all elements are Go at this time. Astronaut Neil Armstrong has just completed a series of checks on that big service propulsion system engine that sits below him in the stack. We want to assure ourselves before liftoff that that engine can respond to commands from inside the spacecraft. As Neil Armstrong moved his rotational hand controller we assured ourselves that the engine did respond by swiveling or gimballing. This is - course is important for maneuvers in space. The countdown is still proceeding very satisfactorily other than two minor problems essentially picked up the count at 11 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time last night, all has gone well. As we approach the one hour mark now, in the count of series of radio frequency and telemetry checks will be in progress with the launch vehicle. We'll also check out the tracking beacons in the instrument unit that travels as a guidance system for the Saturn V during the powered phase of the flight.  Now 59 minutes, 48 seconds and counting, this is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 0:56:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. We have just passed the 56-minute mark in our countdown. We are still proceeding in an excellent manner at this time. All elements reporting in that all systems continuing to look good at this point. We are still aiming toward our planned liftoff at the start of the lunar window 9:32 a.m. Eastern Daylight. A short while ago, in fact the Spacecraft Test Conductor Skip Chauvin informed spacecraft Commander Neil Armstrong that we are doing quite well, in fact some 15 minutes ahead on some aspects of the preparation spacecraftwise. Armstrong replied that was fine just as long as we don't launch 15 minutes early. Obviously referring to the start of the window.

- 0:55:10   PAO (King): The countdown is still going well, T minus 55 minutes, 10 seconds and counting, this is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 0:51:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. We have passed the 51 minute mark in our countdown. We're now T minus 50 minutes 51 seconds and counting. Apollo 11 countdown is still Go at this time, all elements reporting ready at this point in the countdown. The spacecraft - correction - the Test Supervisor Bill Schick has advised all hands here in the control center and spacecraft checkout people that in about 30 seconds that big swing arm that has been attached to the spacecraft up to now will be moved back to a parked position some five feet away from the spacecraft. We alert the astronauts because there is a little jolt when this arm is moved away. It will remain in that position some five feet away from the spacecraft until the five minute mark in the count when it's completely pulled away to its retracted position. It's coming up now in five seconds, the swing arm will come back. Mark. The swing arm now coming back from the spacecraft. Countdown proceeding satisfactorily. We've completed our telemetry checks with the launch vehicle and at this point with the swing arm back we arm the pyrotechnics so that escape tower atop the astronauts, atop their spacecraft, could be used if a catastrophic condition was going to occur under them with the launch vehicle from this point on down in the countdown. We have the high speed elevator located at the 320 foot level in the event the astronauts have to get out in a hurry. This is a special precaution. One of the members of the support team for Apollo 11, Astronaut Bill Pogue, is here in the firing room. He acts as Capsule Communication during the countdown. His call sign is Stoney. He controls that elevator. He now has it locked at the 320-foot level. These are special precautions for safety purposes during the final phase of the count.

- 0:49:00   PAO (King): Now coming up on the 49 minute in the countdown, this is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 0:46:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. We've passed the 46-minute mark in our countdown. T minus 45 minutes, 52 seconds and counting. All elements still Go in the countdown at this time. The hard work on the spacecraft at this point in the countdown - Astronaut Buzz Aldrin in the middle seat. He's been working with the spacecraft test conductor on setting up proper switch settings in preparation for pressurizing the reaction control system. These are these big thrusters on the side of the service module. There's actually 16 of them in four quadrants around the service module. They are used for maneuvers in space. We pressurize that system before liftoff. That particular operation will be coming up in some five minutes or so. In preparation for it, Buzz Aldrin who has most of the switches in front of him, has been preparing for that particular event. The launch vehicle people keeping an eye on the status of the various propellants aboard the Saturn V launch vehicle. Just at liftoff, we will have the vehicle weighing close to 6-1/2 million pounds on the launch pad. There's more than a million gallons of propellants aboard the three stages of Saturn V. The reports here in the control center are the propellants are stable. They did look a little while ago at the RP 1, the high-grade kerosene fuel that's used in the first stage of the Saturn V to make sure it was at its top level. We keep an eye on these various aspects throughout the count, and use the aid of computers to keep an overall look on general status.

- 0:44:21   PAO (King): So now at T minus 44 minutes, 21 seconds and counting, this is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 0:41:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn launch control. We've passed the 41 minute mark in our count. T minus 40 minutes, 53 seconds and counting. We are continuing, and we're continuing very excellently at this time. There are no problems that have been reported in as the countdown continues to click down. We're still aiming for the start of our window on this, the first flight to land man on the moon. Our - we're aiming toward our planned liftoff time of 9:32 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time. Coming up shortly will be a key test here in the firing room. As far as the launch vehicle people are concerned, it's a - some final checks of the destruct system aboard the three stages of the Saturn V launch vehicle. In the event during powered flight that the vehicle strayed rather violently off course, the range safety officer could take action to destroy the vehicle which obviously would occur after the astronauts were separated by their escape tower from the faulty vehicle. We'll make a check of the destruct system to assure that if the signal is required to get through that, in fact, it will. This is what is coming up here in the control center at this time.

- 0:39:47   PAO (King): All aspects of the mission still Go at T minus 39 minutes, 47 seconds and counting. This is Kennedy launch control.

Continued...
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Kiwi on August 31, 2022, 04:40:06 AM
Apollo 11 launch continued...

- 0:36:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. We have passed the 36-minute mark in our countdown. T minus 35 minutes, 48 seconds and counting. We've completed those range safety command checks. All still going well with the countdown. A short while ago Spacecraft Test Conductor, Skip Chauvin, asked Neil Armstrong if the crew was comfortable up there and Neil reported back. He said it is very comfortable - it's very nice this morning. For a status report, we will now switch to Mission Control, Houston.

- 0:xx:xx   PAO, Houston (Jack Riley): This is Apollo Mission Control. Flight Director, Cliff Charlesworth's team is on station here in the Mission Operations Control Room, ready to assume the control of this flight at tower clearance. There is a possibility that Apollo 11 will check out the command module color TV camera during the first earth revolution while in contact with the Goldstone station. If this checkout does occur, we acquire Goldstone at 1 hour, 29 minutes elapsed time. We have loss of signal at 1 hour, 33 minutes, 50 seconds elapsed time. This TV camera checkout is a possibility. This is Mission Control, Houston.

- 0:31:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. We've just passed the 31 minute mark in our count. At T minus 30 minutes 52 seconds and counting, aiming toward our planned liftoff time of 32 minutes past the hour, the start of launch window on this the mission to land men on the Moon. The countdown still proceeding very satisfactorily at this time. We've just got by an important test with the launch vehicle checking out the various batteries in the three stages and instrument unit of the Saturn V. We remain on external power through most of the count to preserve those batteries which must be used during the powered flight. We've just taken a look at them by going internal and then switching back to external again. The batteries all look good. The next time we go internal will be at the 50 second mark with those batteries and they will remain, of course, on internal power during the flight. The lunar module, which has been rather inactive during these latter phases of the count also is going on internal power at this time on the two batteries in the ascent stage and the four batteries in the descent stage. For the next 20 minutes we will take a look at some systems in the lunar module and then power down at about the ten minute mark in the count, power down the telemetry to preserve the power of the LM. The lunar module on Apollo 11, of course, when it separates from the command module in lunar orbit, will have the call sign Eagle. The command module call sign, once the two vehicles separate, will be Columbia.

- 0:29:24   PAO (King): Both Columbia and Eagle are Go at this time at 29 minutes 24 seconds and counting. This is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 0:26:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. We've just passed the 26 minute mark in the count, T minus 25 minutes 53 seconds and counting, still proceeding very satisfactorily. At this time Spacecraft Test Conductor Skip Chauvin working with Astronaut Buzz Aldrin in the middle seat covering the final pressurization of the reaction control system for the spacecraft. These are those big thrusters on the side of the service module that are used for maneuvers in space. Each one of these thrusters is capable of 100 pounds of thrust, there are 16 of them located in four quadrants around the service module. We pressurize the system with helium prior to launch to make sure that all will be in readiness for use in space. The countdown still proceeding satisfactorily. We picked up at the T minus 9 hour mark at 11:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time last evening. We've just had two comparatively minor problems since that time. The major portion of the countdown during the early morning hours, some five hours of work was taken to load the various propellants aboard the stages of the Saturn V launch vehicle. As we came into the count this morning we did already have the fuel aboard the first stage, but it was necessary to bring the liquid oxygen aboard all three stages and the liquid hydrogen fuel aboard the second and third stages.

- 0:xx:xx   PAO (King): Close to three-quarters of a million gallons of propellants were loaded during these five hours. Following that the astronauts, the prime crew, were awakened at 4:15 a.m. Eastern Daylight as planned in their countdown, and proceeded to have their physical examination in which they were declared flight ready. They sat down for the normal astronaut fare on launch day as far as breakfast is concerned, orange juice, steaks, scrambled eggs, toast and coffee. The three pilots were joined by two of their colleagues at breakfast, Director of Flight Crew Operations Deke Slayton and the backup command module pilot Bill Anders who has been named the Executive Secretary of the National Aeronautics and Space Council. The astronauts departed from their crew quarters. After checking out their suits they departed from the crew quarters at 6:27 a.m. and some 27 minutes later and eight miles away from the crew quarters at the Kennedy Space Center atop the launch pad at Complex 39, 6:54 a.m. the commander, astronaut Neil Armstrong, was the first to board the spacecraft. He was followed about five minutes later by Mike Collins and finally Buzz Aldrin, the man who is sitting in the middle seat during liftoff, was the third astronaut to come aboard. Two minor problems have been encountered during the count. Early in the count a malfunction light came on here in the control center indicating that we might have a communication problem at the launch pad. Nothing to do with the spacecraft, but it indicated we possibly might not be able to talk to some key technicians we had at the pad. The problem turned out to be very minor, a simple adjustment of some equipment beneath the pad remedied the problem. There was no, in fact, no equipment problem involved. The second problem, we did encounter a leaky valve in part of the equipment that is used to replenish the hydrogen fuel supply on the third stage of the Saturn V launch vehicle. A team of technicians were sent up to the launch pad at about the time the astronauts were traveling to the pad. They tightened some bolts and we were able to bypass this valve and proceed with our countdown. The weather is certainly Go. It's a beautiful morning for a launch to the Moon. We expect a temperature of about 85 degrees in the Kennedy Space Center area. The wind is about ten knots from the southeast, and the weather conditions in the round-the-world track, according to reports to the Manned Space Flight Meterology group indicate all weather conditions are acceptable for launch. That's our general status. We've just passed the 22 minute mark in the count.

- 0:21:55   PAO (King): 21 minutes 55 seconds and counting, this is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 0:16:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. We are now less than 16 minutes away from the planned liftoff of the Apollo 11 space vehicle. All still going well with the countdown at this time. The astronauts aboard the spacecraft have had a little chance to rest over the last few minutes or so. At least they haven't been busy with procedures with the spacecraft test conductor. In the meantime we have been performing final checks on the tracking beacons and the instrument unit which is used as a guidance system during the powered phase of flight. Once we get down to the 3-minute and 10-second mark in the countdown, we'll go on an automatic sequence. As far as the launch vehicle is concerned all aspects from there on down will be automatic, run by the ground master computer here in the firing room. This will lead up to the 8.9-second mark in the countdown when the ignition sequence will begin in those five engines of the first stage, the S-IC stage of Saturn V. At the 2-second mark we'll get information and a signal that all engines are running and at the zero mark in the countdown once we get the commit signal, the signal that says that the thrust is proper and acceptable, we then will get a commit and liftoff as the hold-down arms release the vehicle. We have some 7.6 million pounds of thrust pushing the vehicle upwards, a vehicle that weighs close to six and one-half million pounds.

- 0:14:30   PAO (King): We are now 14 minutes 30 seconds and counting. This is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 0:11:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn Launch Control. We've passed the 11-minute mark. Now T minus 10 minutes 54 seconds on our countdown for Apollo 11. All still Go at this time. The astronauts in the spacecraft busy again. The commander Neil Armstrong has performed some final switch settings for the stabilization and control system of the spacecraft. The spacecraft also now is on full internal power. This came shortly after the 15-minute mark. Spacecraft now on the full power of its fuel cells. Up to this time, it had been sharing the load with an external power source. Both Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin have armed their rotational hand controllers - the controllers they use in flight and we have now gone to automatic system with the emergency detection system. That system - it would queue the astronauts if there's trouble down below with the Saturn V rocket during the powered flight. We're now coming up on the 10-minute mark. Ten minutes away from our planned liftoff.

- 0:10:00   PAO (King): Mark. T minus 10 minutes and counting, T minus 10. We're aiming for our planned liftoff at 32 minutes past the hour. This is Kennedy Launch Control.

- 0:06:00   PAO (King): This is Apollo/Saturn launch control. We've passed the six minute mark in our countdown for Apollo 11. Now 5 minutes, 52 seconds and counting. We're on time at the present time for our planned lift off of 32 minutes past the hour. Spacecraft Test Conductor, Skip Chauvin now has completed the status check of his personnel in the control room. All report they are Go for the mission, and this has been reported to the Test Supervisor, Bill Schick. The test supervisor now going through some status checks. Launch Operations Manager, Paul Donnelly, reports Go for launch. Launch Director Rocco Petrone, gives a Go.

- 0:05:20   PAO (King): We're 5 minutes, 20 seconds and counting. Coming up shortly that swing arm up at the spacecraft level will come back to its fully retracted position. It should occur at the five minute mark in the count. In the meantime the lunar module telemetry has been powered down. We took a good look at Eagle, and it looks good. The spacecraft test conductor for the lunar module reported that Eagle was Go. The swing arm now coming back to its fully retracted position as our countdown continues.

- 0:04:50   PAO (King): T minus 4 minutes, 50 seconds and counting. Skip Chauvin informing the astronauts that the swing arm now coming back. The astronauts will have a few more reports coming up in the countdown. The last business report will be from Neil Armstrong at the 45 seconds mark in the count when he gives the status on the final alignment of the stabilization and control system.

- 0:04:30   PAO (King): We're now passing the 4 minute, 30 second mark in the countdown - still Go at this time.

- 0:04:15   PAO (King): Four minutes, 15 seconds - the test supervisor now has informed Launch Vehicle Test Conductor, Norm Carlson, you are Go for launch. From this time down, Carlson handles the countdown as the launch vehicle begins to build up.

- 0:04:00   PAO (King): We're now hitting the four minute mark. Four minutes and counting. We are Go for Apollo 11. We'll go on an automatic sequence as standing at 3 minutes and 7 seconds.

- 0:03:45   PAO (King): Three minutes, 45 seconds and counting. In the final abort checks between several key members of the crew here in the control center, and the astronauts' Launch Operations Manager, Paul Donnelly, wished the crew on the launch teams we have good luck and God speed.

- 0:03:25   PAO (King): Three minutes, 25 seconds and counting. We're still Go at this time. We'll be coming up on the automatic sequence in about 10 or 15 seconds from this time. All still Go at this time. Neil Armstrong reported back when he received the good wishes, "Thank you very much. We know it will be a good flight." Firing command coming in now. We are on the automatic sequence. We're approaching the three minute mark in the count.

- 0:03:00   PAO (King): T minus 3 minutes and counting. T minus 3 - we are Go with all elements of the mission at this time. We're on an automatic sequence system as the computer supervises hundreds of events occurring over these last few minutes.

- 0:02:45   PAO (King): T minus 2 minutes, 45 seconds and counting. The members of the launch team here in the control center monitoring a number of what we call red-line values. These are tolerances we don't want to go above and below in temperatures and pressures. They're standing by to call out any deviations from our plans.

- 0:02:30   PAO (King): Two minutes, 30 seconds and counting. We're still Go on Apollo 11 at this time. The vehicle starting to pressurize as far as the propellant tanks are concerned, and all is still Go as we monitor our status for it.

- 0:02:10   PAO (King): Two minutes, ten seconds and counting. The target for the Apollo 11 astronauts, the moon, at liftoff will be at a distance of 218,096 miles away. Just passed the 2 minute mark in the countdown.

- 0:01:54   PAO (King): T minus 1 minute, 54 seconds and counting. Our status board indicates that the oxidizer tanks in the second and third stages now have pressurized. We continue to build up pressure in all three stages here at the last minute to prepare it for liftoff.

- 0:01:35   PAO (King): T minus 1 minute, 35 seconds on the Apollo mission, the flight to land the first man on the moon. All indications are coming in to the control center at this time indicate we are Go.

- 0:01:25   PAO (King): One minute, 25 seconds and counting. Our status board indicates the third stage completely pressurized. Eighty second mark has now been passed. We'll go on full internal power at the 50 second mark in the countdown. Guidance system goes on internal at 17 seconds leading up to the ignition sequence at 8.9 seconds. We're approaching the 60 second mark on the Apollo 11 Mission.

- 0:01:00   PAO (King): T minus 60 seconds and counting. We have passed T minus 60.

- 0:00:55   PAO (King): 55 seconds and counting. Neil Armstrong just reported back, "It's been a real smooth countdown."

- 0:00:50   PAO (King): We have passed the 50-second mark. Power transfer is complete, we're on internal power with the launch vehicle at this time.

- 0:00:40   PAO (King): 40 seconds away from the Apollo 11 liftoff. All the second stage tanks now pressurized.

- 0:00:35   PAO (King): 35 seconds and counting. We are still Go with Apollo 11.

- 0:00:30   PAO (King): 30 seconds and counting. Astronauts reported, "Feels good."

- 0:00:25   PAO (King): T minus 25 seconds. 20 seconds and counting. T minus 15 seconds, guidance is internal.

- 0:00:16.968   ** Guidance reference release.

- 0:00:12   PAO (King): 12, 11, 10, 9, ignition sequence starts.

- 0:00:08.9   ** S-IC engine start command.

- 0:00:06.4   ** S-IC engine ignition (#5).

- 0:00:06   PAO (King): 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, zero, all engines running -

- 0:00:01.6   ** All S-IC engines thrust OK.


How many directors of modern movies and documentaries fail (because of their ignorance) to get that last part right:-

Quote
- 0:00:12   PAO (King): 12, 11, 10, 9, ignition sequence starts.
- 0:00:08.9   ** S-IC engine start command.
- 0:00:06.4   ** S-IC engine ignition (#5).
- 0:00:06   PAO (King): 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, zero, all engines running

Nowdays they show engine ignition at zero, instead of at -8.9 seconds. I was surprised that Apollo 13 got it wrong, considering that Tom Hanks was an Apollo fan.
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Count Zero on August 31, 2022, 07:23:47 PM
God, I feel the thrill and get misty-eyed just reading that.
Once upon a time we could do anything...
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Peter B on September 01, 2022, 07:29:23 PM
God, I feel the thrill and get misty-eyed just reading that.
Once upon a time we could do anything...

I hear you, but I also get misty-eyed watching, for example, two Falcon Heavy boosters touch down within seconds of each other on adjacent landing pads. :)
Title: Re: Today I Found Out video about hoax
Post by: Count Zero on September 02, 2022, 01:47:25 AM

I hear you, but I also get misty-eyed watching, for example, two Falcon Heavy boosters touch down within seconds of each other on adjacent landing pads. :)

Yeah, when I saw that (well, after I stopped jumping around) I pointed to the screen and shouted, "THAT'S what the 21st century is supposed to look like!"