Feel free to explain how these scientists don't know what they're talking about, or accept that people collected those rocks from the surface of the Moon.
Thank you for responding. For me, you just illustrated that even the Apollogists here, do not see an issue with the hyperbole claims of the Apollogy.
The evidence that remains to substantiate these claims is miniscule. Honeysuckle has 67 second audio clip which simply matches... where is the chain-of-custody for this audio clip? And how do we know it was broadcast directly from the S-Band of the LM on the surface of the moon? - we don't.
Where are the S-Band transmission tapes themselves? Gone. With all of the rest of the source tapes.
The dirty details behind each claim are not noted... purposefully skewing the "claim" to make it seem far more substantial than it truly is.
Claim -- "thousands of Amateurs witnessed it" -- we have ONE -- Larry Baysinger and his friend, for 30 minutes. They CLAIM. Where are these recordings? How many witnesses claimed to hear these recordings? ZERO, AFAIK... This is ALL of the evidence that back up that BIG CLAIM.
I'll stop here. You confirmed for me that the basis upon which this Apollo Religion was founded, is a exaggerations with much less substantiation than most people know.
Apollogists are not motivated to be Truthful - they are motivated to be "Convincing" -- and so accept without question/concern - the skewed/exaggerations that support their beliefs/religion.
That's a lot of words to not address either the Soviets or the rocks.
If Apollo was faked, either: NASA fooled the Soviets, in which case you need to explain how; or the Soviets knew Apollo was fake and said nothing, in which case you need to explain why. Or maybe I'm wrong somehow, and there's a third alternative I've missed, in which case you need to explain what.
And as I've already pointed out, the scientists who've studied the Apollo rocks can explain how they know the rocks must be from the Moon, can't be fake, can't be from Earth, can't be lunar meteorites and can't have been collected by unmanned sample retriever missions. To that end, here is a link to an interview of Australian scientist Ross Taylor, who was invited by NASA to be involved in the study of the Apollo 11 rocks:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120905025108/http://www.science.org.au/scientists/interviews/t/rt.html
Russia validated our rocks, then we validated theirs -- "hey, they look the same". By May 1972, we were fully allied with Russia to collaborate moving forward on joint missions. Just because the "mainstream narrative says Cold War" doesn't mean this is the actual case. To presume you know what goes on behind closed doors at the top level -- is a stretch. "Cold War & Fear - Communism" - gives the govt the right to spend a lot more money to "Protect us" while giving out profitable contracts to their cronies ... Apollo was in part driven by this fear of Russia gaining airspace/missile dominance. I don't presume to "know" -- but instead admit "we don't really know".
Yes, I suspected you'd take the third option, and that it would be some version of the "Cold War is Fake" meme.
If you're serious about applying a "we don't really know" attitude to the historiography of the Cold War, then that suggests to me that you're comfortable with the idea of adding the entire history profession to the engineers and scientists you've so far challenged the integrity of.
But is that really the case? Do you seriously believe "we don't really know" about the nature of the Cold War? What about other events in history? World War Two? The Tunguska Event? Caesar's Conquest of Gaul?
Many moon rocks can be found at the South Pole,
I've already pointed out we can tell the difference between the Apollo rocks and lunar meteorites. The difference is so obvious that anyone with normal eyesight who is given a tray of five Apollo rocks and five lunar meteorites would be able to correctly sort them.
where Von Braun went in 1967... to gather moon rocks.
Why would you send a rocket engineer to gather moon rocks? Especially when lunar meteorites as a category weren't identified until more than 10 years later.
Radiate them a bit, and poof, they "look like moon rocks" because they are.... How could you tell the difference?
Saying this can only mean you're completely unaware of the differences between Earth rocks and Apollo rocks (and lacking in knowledge about radiation for that matter). Are you going to read the Taylor interview I linked for you? Or are you going to show some of that integrity you claim for yourself and admit that (a) it's possible for people to know of these differences, and (b) you don't actually know what those differences are?
"Especially when most of those to investigate were "chosen/selected". Do you think them saying "nah, this ain't a moon rock" would have been accepted any better than someone today saying "nah, look at that Rocket accelerating too fast -- this can't be real" - these guys get shat upon. And in their case, would likely lose their job.
If you'd bothered to read the Taylor interview, you'd know some of the differences between Earth rocks and the Apollo rocks, and you might have an inkling of just how fundamental they are. In that case, you'd realise why there'd be no need for a scientist to have to make a pretense that they were different.
Aside from that -- using real moon rock from Antarctica where the cold freezes/preserves them better -- how could a scientist identify it as fake?
I refer to my earlier statement about a tray of five lunar meteorites and five Apollo rocks. Have a think about the ways they might differ from each other.
Moon Scientists all have one thing in common -- they are funded through grants, from the government. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. Just ask Thomas Baron.
What exactly do you mean when you say "the government"? The US government? If so, do you seriously think that only USAnian scientists can study the Apollo rocks? If not, then how can the US government possibly affect what non-USAnian scientists say about the rocks?
https://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/sampreq/requests.cfmThat's the website to use when you want to request a lunar sample for research. Feel free to point out where "the government" has any say in it, especially for non-USAnian scientists.
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