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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #930 on: February 20, 2015, 03:28:18 PM »
Mate, with the stuff you do lining up Apollo photographs with reality, you are a genuine asset to this community.

Aww hush now - I just happen to be very good at pattern recognition.

I am at present locating all of the Apollo LEO mission photographs in Google Earth. I am particularly proud of locating these two today:

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/SearchPhotos/photo.pl?mission=AS07&roll=7&frame=1804 (not quite where it is recorded as being, and also finding that 1805 and 6 are in Brazil, not South Africa!)

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/SearchPhotos/photo.pl?mission=AS07&roll=5&frame=1620

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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #931 on: February 21, 2015, 03:33:04 AM »
Using parallax to measure the distance to stars is incredibly difficult and wasn't even proven possible until 1853. The measurements are tiny, a fraction of an arcsecond.
Not only are the parallax angles very small, but you have to account for proper motion.

α Centauri, for example, has a parallax of 747.1 mas and a proper motion of -3678.19 mas/yr in RA and +481.84 mas/yr in declination. You'd have to take years of data to separate the effects. And it's not even the star (system) with the highest proper motion, though it's the closest.

This page

http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=HIPPARCOS&page=high_p

shows quite clearly the combined effects of parallax and proper motion on the star with the highest proper motion, Barnard's Star (which is not visible to the naked eye).

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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #932 on: March 08, 2015, 12:19:41 PM »
I see hunchbacked is at it again. Released a video this week claiming the whole NASA space program is fake.

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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #933 on: March 08, 2015, 12:58:16 PM »
I see hunchbacked is at it again. Released a video this week claiming the whole NASA space program is fake.

Well, that all makes sense. NASA must, naturally, have the mind control devices fitted to Elon Musk and his employees at Space X. Not to mention the Russians, the French, the Canadians, the Spanish, the Japanese, the Italians, the Germans, the Swedish, the Brazilians, the Dutch, the Malaysians, the South Africans and the South Koreans, all of which have had their citizens in the ISS.
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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #934 on: March 08, 2015, 01:59:26 PM »
NASA must, naturally, have the mind control devices fitted to Elon Musk and his employees at Space X...
Not to mention the amateur astronomers that can get pictures like this:
http://www.astrophoto.fr/eclipse101221_lunar_transit.html
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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #935 on: March 08, 2015, 02:23:14 PM »
Not to mention the amateur astronomers that can get pictures like this:
http://www.astrophoto.fr/eclipse101221_lunar_transit.html

Anyone can take a picture and photoshop a few oblongs to make the ISS shape.  ::)
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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #936 on: April 12, 2015, 03:00:15 PM »
Wow! Now he's done a video about the Germanwings A320 crash that has the Americans to blame for some laser test that supposedly happened around the same time. Claims the black boxes were modified by them. From what I've read, they were taken directly to Paris. Were any Americans even involved with the aftermath of the crash?

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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #937 on: April 12, 2015, 03:31:47 PM »
Wow! Now he's done a video about the Germanwings A320 crash that has the Americans to blame for some laser test that supposedly happened around the same time. Claims the black boxes were modified by them. From what I've read, they were taken directly to Paris. Were any Americans even involved with the aftermath of the crash?

Stuff like this really grips my s***. Its one thing talking trash about a space program that happened 40+ years ago, but what sort of sick mind sees conspiracy in something that is so recent, so horrific and so unequivocal in it's cause? Do these sick bas%&** not have ANY compassion or empathy for the suffering of their fellow mankind?

I apologise for the strength of this post, but this sort of stuff makes my blood boil. It was the same after Sandy Hook and the Boston bomb. Morons trawling through pictures of horrible suffering and crying "Fake". Despicable, horrid, idiotic people.
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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #938 on: April 12, 2015, 04:01:56 PM »
I get it now. Hunchbacked is nothing more than a racist. Just another one of those Blame America types who blames the US for all the ills in the world. I don't know why I never saw it before, but hunchie is displaying classic ethnocentrism, nothing more. It's actually kind of a letdown, really.

In my amateur opinion, of course...

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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #939 on: April 12, 2015, 04:08:25 PM »
I get it now. Hunchbacked is nothing more than a racist. Just another one of those Blame America types who blames the US for all the ills in the world. I don't know why I never saw it before, but hunchie is displaying classic ethnocentrism, nothing more. It's actually kind of a letdown, really.

In my amateur opinion, of course...

I reckon that you've hit the nail on the head there.

Isn't he French? If so, he has a LOT to thank the US and the rest of the Allies for.
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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #940 on: April 12, 2015, 07:49:31 PM »
It's a reaction to the chaotic and unpredictable world we live in. It is comforting for them to know that there are "somebody" who drives it all, who determines what happens next. That there is a master plan, and it is not just random chance or common individuals who set these things in motion.
Well, it is like this: The truth doesn't need insults. Insults are the refuge of a darkened mind, a mind that refuses to open and see. Foul language can't outcompete knowledge. And knowledge is the result of education. Education is the result of the wish to know more, not less.

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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #941 on: April 12, 2015, 10:11:50 PM »
Stuff like this really grips my s***. Its one thing talking trash about a space program that happened 40+ years ago, but what sort of sick mind sees conspiracy in something that is so recent, so horrific and so unequivocal in it's cause? Do these sick bas%&** not have ANY compassion or empathy for the suffering of their fellow mankind?
Agreed.

A lot of individuals, mostly volunteers, all around the world are now receiving the ADS-B transmissions from airliners on 1090 MHz (the same frequency long used for secondary surveillance radar). This included several stations in France during the Germanwings crash. They went back to their logged data and found that the ground had been interrogating the autopilot altitude setting on the A320. They even caught it in the process of being changed. One sample had it at the assigned altitude. A little over a second later, it was at 13-thousand-something feet. Another second or so later, it was at 96 ft (the closest to 100' that can be represented in the digital format). They forwarded this data to the BEA (the French NTSB) and publicly to the world on a web forum.

This was a smoking gun, and I was no longer willing to give the copilot the benefit of the doubt. Only a paranoid lunatic would claim it's all some sort of enormous government conspiracy.

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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #942 on: April 13, 2015, 01:01:38 AM »
Look, someone this week literally tried to convince me that someone I've known for more than twenty years doesn't actually exist, because if they admitted that he exists, and they admitted that his son really did get measles, it destroys their stupid anti-vaccine claims.  No sympathy at all, just conspiracism.
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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #943 on: April 13, 2015, 02:24:26 AM »
Look, someone this week literally tried to convince me that someone I've known for more than twenty years doesn't actually exist, because if they admitted that he exists, and they admitted that his son really did get measles, it destroys their stupid anti-vaccine claims.  No sympathy at all, just conspiracism.

Hopefully she/he won't inflict the type of cruelty on their kids that this anti-vaxxer idiot did.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/anti-vaxx-mom-abandons-movement-after-all-seven-her-of-her-kids-get-whooping-cough/
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Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Reply #944 on: April 13, 2015, 12:20:48 PM »
Stuff like this really grips my s***. Its one thing talking trash about a space program that happened 40+ years ago, but what sort of sick mind sees conspiracy in something that is so recent, so horrific and so unequivocal in it's cause? Do these sick bas%&** not have ANY compassion or empathy for the suffering of their fellow mankind?

I apologise for the strength of this post, but this sort of stuff makes my blood boil. It was the same after Sandy Hook and the Boston bomb. Morons trawling through pictures of horrible suffering and crying "Fake". Despicable, horrid, idiotic people.

I don't think you should soften your comment.  The "Vic Sim" mentality seems to be the latest evolution of conspiracism, and it is truly despicable.  Now granted from a rhetoric point of view, it's hard to dispute those claims dispassionately.  And that plays right into conspiracy theorists' hands.  They formulate an argument that is practically guaranteed to bait an emotional response, which gives them the rhetorical upper hand:  "Look, we're scientifically analyzing these photos and the only criticism our opponents can mount is boo-hooing over made-up victims."

But in the larger analysis, conspiracism is about attracting attention to individual conspiracy theorists and ego-reinforcement.  The theories are proposed not to investigate the facts, but to say, "Everyone look at how clever I am!  I figured out something you all didn't."  It's a pastime; it's recreation.  When that happens at the expense of actual victims, it truly signals something wrong with the social conscience of these proponents.  They demonstrate little if any empathy.
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