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The Hoax Theory / Re: Blueprints
« Last post by Obviousman on March 30, 2022, 04:18:09 PM »
So how much is available and accessible from the Saturn 5?

How long is a piece of string? Again, we have to be specific. Let's not forget that the Saturn V was made up of separate sections, often made by different companies.

So how much is available? LOTS! I have blueprints of the stages and spacecraft; overall dimensions, more complex plans showing detailed construction, how spacecraft were painted / coloured, etc. All have been commercially available. I suspect that if you want something more specific then the company that built the kit may have something in their archives but I have often found that the NASA Technical Notes or Reports are a wealth of information.

Let me try and sum up: do we have sufficient blueprints / plans / instructions to build a Saturn V from scratch (and why would we)? No - but what we have can answer most questions about the hardware / software, and we still have physical examples of the equipment. And those have been used to build spacecraft that we DO see in use today.

The Reality of Apollo / Re: Apollo photo with Earth in visor
« Last post by Trebor on March 30, 2022, 12:15:44 PM »
Only one I know off is the famous image
AS11-40-5903, which has the earth in the visor. There has got to be others....
The Hoax Theory / Re: Blueprints
« Last post by Jairo on March 30, 2022, 08:57:26 AM »
So how much is available and accessible from the Saturn 5?
General Discussion / Re: Project Hail Mary
« Last post by Ranb on March 29, 2022, 07:53:26 PM »
I've read it and enjoyed it.  It reminded me of Asimov's Nemesis in that it involves aliens, interplanetary travel and two timelines with one in the present day and the other timeline in the past but approaching the present.

Less funny than the Martian.
The Reality of Apollo / Apollo photo with Earth in visor
« Last post by apollo16uvc on March 29, 2022, 05:13:10 PM »
Are there any Apollo photos where the Earth is visible on the golden visor?

Even as a tiny smudge or particle of light will do.
General Discussion / Re: Project Hail Mary
« Last post by LunarOrbit on March 29, 2022, 10:28:57 AM »
I've been intending to read it... hopefully I'll get to it soon, or at least before the movie comes out.
General Discussion / Project Hail Mary
« Last post by Peter B on March 29, 2022, 10:07:16 AM »
Okay, so the book has been out for a while, and there's talk of the movie...

Who's read the book, what do you think of it, and how does it compare to "The Martian"?

And for the benefit of those who haven't read it, perhaps we can keep spoilers until the thread reaches page 2 (if it ever does)?
The Hoax Theory / Re: Blueprints
« Last post by JayUtah on March 29, 2022, 09:49:53 AM »
It's really not as cut and dried as that.  When you say "the blueprints," you have to be specific.  Literally tens of thousands of drawings are created as part of building a spaceship.  They don't all end up in the same place.  Some are required to accompany the spacecraft as it is conveyed officially from the contractor to its owner (NASA).  Some are required to be kept by the manufacturer until the spacecraft is decommissioned.  Still others are not strictly required, but are made by the manufacturer for their own purposes.

The perceived historical value of these documents varies, hence a difference in the need to preserve them for posterity.  And these documents are voluminous.  The space required to store them and the cost to reduce them to microform create a situation where practical concerns quickly outpace the historical preservation motive.  So some "blueprints" were indeed destroyed -- especially the ephemeral ones.  Individual fabrication records, for example, become moot as soon as the spaceship is no longer operating.  They have little technical or historical value in and of themselves.  So even though some of us would love to see them, they were not considered worthy of retention and have been destroyed as a matter of routine.

Even for those documents that have historical or technical value, they get scattered all over the country.  As I said, some are collected and retained by the agency, others are kept by the manufacturer.  Nowadays most of those manufacturers have gone through multiple reorganizations, mergers, and acquisitions.  With each generation, institutional memory of those documents -- where they are and what they represent -- gets muddied.  So when people say, "I want to see the Apollo blueprints," there's a lot of shoulder-shrugging.

Where did the accusation start?  Hard to say.  It seems that every author wants to say that "the blueprints were destroyed" and leave it at that.  Usually it's a response to confronting the reality of historical document preservation.  "The blueprints" for the lunar module, for example, were not some concise roll of papers you can just tuck under your arm.  Just the amount of written documentation that had to be sent to NASA for each individual spacecraft filled a railroad boxcar.  So the problem is really with the expectation that if the Apollo "blueprints" actually existed, they would be an easily manageable and carefully-preserved tranche.
The Hoax Theory / Blueprints
« Last post by Jairo on March 29, 2022, 09:10:43 AM »
Conspiracists claim the blueprints were destroyed, despite they still existing as microfilm at the Marshall Space Flight Center.

But how exactly did that story appear? It seems it happened more than one time, in the 80s and then in the 90s. Who started it?
The Hoax Theory / Re: What becomes of old 'friends'..
« Last post by bknight on March 27, 2022, 05:29:06 PM »
Not being able to read French do you think he posted that as a ruse?

I'm just thinking of the whole fiasco with Doctor Poop over on whatever site that was.  I can't remember anyone else who had such an unhealthy fixation on me.  The circumstances of his employment and (alleged) death as well as the appearance of the brother just made be want to back away slowly without making eye contact.

Worse than Jarrah?
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