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Offline Glom

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #255 on: April 23, 2013, 02:31:08 AM »
Oh yeah. 1973 was Skylab.

Offline Daniel Dravot

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #256 on: April 23, 2013, 09:27:49 AM »
Sometimes we get the same one, two at a time, under different names.  More commonly the same one serially under different names.  In between HBs, we talk about Apollo amongst ourselves.

The Hoax Proponent does, by and large, seem to be a solitary creature.  Maybe that's because there aren't very many of them, maybe it's because they don't trust each other.

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #257 on: April 23, 2013, 11:20:30 AM »
Sometimes we get the same one, two at a time, under different names.  More commonly the same one serially under different names.  In between HBs, we talk about Apollo amongst ourselves.

The Hoax Proponent does, by and large, seem to be a solitary creature.  Maybe that's because there aren't very many of them, maybe it's because they don't trust each other.


Proponents, ones that actually go out of there way to make a special issue of a moon hoax, like Jarrah White, are relatively few in number and have some number of followers and fellow travelers.  They also have somewhat abrasive public personalities toward non-sycophants that limit their social appeal, thus the solitary nature you describe.   

The count for general purpose conspiracy buffs and deniers who actually put some effort into it seems a bit higher.  For the widest category in my lexicon, hoax believers, YouTube seems to be littered with people that prefer to entertain themselves with a good hoax or conspiracy without ever giving it a second thought. 
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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #258 on: April 23, 2013, 02:16:46 PM »
Skepticism on a budget.  They know one thing that the sheep around them don't know -- and it only cost them the time to watch a YouTube video.  Their investment is as deep.

Offline Daniel Dravot

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #259 on: April 23, 2013, 03:01:44 PM »
Proponents, ones that actually go out of there way to make a special issue of a moon hoax, like Jarrah White, are relatively few in number and have some number of followers and fellow travelers.  They also have somewhat abrasive public personalities toward non-sycophants that limit their social appeal, thus the solitary nature you describe.   

The count for general purpose conspiracy buffs and deniers who actually put some effort into it seems a bit higher.  For the widest category in my lexicon, hoax believers, YouTube seems to be littered with people that prefer to entertain themselves with a good hoax or conspiracy without ever giving it a second thought.

Perhaps I misuse my terminology, being relatively new to this particular freak show, I should have referred to believers rather than proponents.

I do sometimes run across people who refer to the whole moon hoax business.  On every single occasion I can think of, the speaker has expressed not only disbelief in the hoax theories, but also amazement that anyone could actually believe this rubbish.  And yet these odd characters seem to be quite common on the internet.  So I wonder.

(i) Maybe believers in the hoax theories are quite rare, and the global reach of the internet is required to find very many of them.

(ii) Maybe they're quite common, but they are all kept in some ghetto somewhere so as not to bother everyone else, and the internet is the only way they can communicate with us.

(iii) Maybe they're quite common, but not willing to embarrass themselves in person, preferring the anonymity of the internet.

(iv) Maybe they're all just having a laugh at everyone else's expense.

Most likely there are some other plausible explanations.

Whether their density is feigned or real, I do get the impression here than many are inadvertently setting themselves up as targets.  I can fully understand the frustration caused when the dumbest person in the room starts mouthing off about what an idiot everyone else is, but I think it would be wise for us to strive not to become subjects to the breath of every fool.1

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #260 on: April 23, 2013, 04:12:08 PM »
Henry V?
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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #261 on: April 23, 2013, 04:17:38 PM »
Sometimes we get the same one, two at a time, under different names.  More commonly the same one serially under different names.  In between HBs, we talk about Apollo amongst ourselves.

The Hoax Proponent does, by and large, seem to be a solitary creature.  Maybe that's because there aren't very many of them, maybe it's because they don't trust each other.


Could also be because the very nature of their belief systems affects their character to a degree that inevitably leads to them being social pariahs.
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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #262 on: April 23, 2013, 04:30:18 PM »
I suspect that it just isn't all that important for most people one way or the other.  There are people who believe in the alleged hoax, but they don't bring it up, because it isn't important.  Similarly, few of my friends who do accept reality feel the need to mention Apollo very often.
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Offline Daniel Dravot

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #263 on: April 23, 2013, 05:15:11 PM »
Henry V?

Well done.  Don't spend your bonus points all in one place :)

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #264 on: April 23, 2013, 05:29:42 PM »
Do we get bonus points for knowing where your user name comes from?
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Offline Daniel Dravot

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #265 on: April 23, 2013, 05:59:27 PM »
Do we get bonus points for knowing where your user name comes from?

Sure, why not?

Offline Echnaton

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #266 on: April 23, 2013, 06:11:57 PM »
Perhaps I misuse my terminology, being relatively new to this particular freak show, I should have referred to believers rather than proponents.

One use is as good as another.  I have just developed my own usage because I am special that way. ;)
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Offline Laurel

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #267 on: April 23, 2013, 06:22:35 PM »
Do we get bonus points for knowing where your user name comes from?

Sure, why not?

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Offline Daniel Dravot

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #268 on: April 23, 2013, 11:14:58 PM »
"The Man Who Would Be King." Kipling.

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #269 on: April 24, 2013, 04:07:01 PM »
"The Man Who Would Be King." Kipling.

God's Holy Trousers, you are right!

Well, to be fair, first result in google kind of gives it away.