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Offline Abaddon

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #165 on: April 14, 2013, 05:04:23 PM »
I am a believer in the Hoax theorie, and I will not lie.

Let's test that, shall we?

Are you Heiwa? Yes or no?

(Hint: I know the answer.)

No. If I were a technical specialist like he I would not need to use other argements, would I.

I don't understand why you would go this road. Is it a wonder that one gets suspicious who is behind you all? It is hard not to refrain to what would be called insulting if one gets these kind of reactions. But OK, I will be the one that stays polite...
You forget a few things:
1. There are technical specialists right here.
2. Your palaver is old hat to us.
3. You have nothing new to add.

Old mil'try saying. "Tough luck for you".

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #166 on: April 14, 2013, 05:06:36 PM »
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I debunk because hoax believers make really blatant errors in their claims and it just bugs me. Is it so hard to do basic research?

I like to ask you to do some research, and compare the information available on the moon lander and how it was to be used in respect to the waste deposal, and the same info on the Russian moonlander. You will be surprised if you would look into this. This alone should be enough.

Hello, Herr Poop Doctor.

Thanx for showing the verbal equivalent of your IQ...gd.
Thanks for showing the quality of the evidence for your claims. Oh wait,...you had no evidence.

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #167 on: April 14, 2013, 05:12:09 PM »
I can't believe you are real people. It's a sad, sad reality you live in.
The feeling is mutual.  We're pretty sure you're a troll and a sock puppet.

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #168 on: April 14, 2013, 05:25:18 PM »
Well...the poop level has won again.
Nobody else here descends to your level.

I can't believe you are real people. It's a sad, sad reality you live in.
Tough luck for you. Many here have credentials and are unafraid to display them. Of course, you know this, but continue to hide under anonymity, like the hypocrite you are. Plenty of folks here have happily stated who they are, with credentials, and the means to verify them. You, on the other hand, choose to remain an "anonymous coward", as GLP would put it.

Some one under you 'believers' must see the grotesqueness of these reactions I would think. The below all measures kind of reactions should demonstrate to the observer why this Apollo myth is what it is: a myth.
Yup, we see your grotesque malarkey. And?

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A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #169 on: April 14, 2013, 05:58:21 PM »


Look, this is why I think you are a bunch of paid students or so. Clearly that was not proven, clearly the argument is avoided, there is only repeated battering of him with the same bunch of statements over and over again. It prevents knowledgeable posters from having a fair discussion and only convinces the ignorants who casually look into the matter. That is what I see. To bad, but that is how the Nazi's would work if internet existed then.

Did you just:

Imply that I'm a liar because I'm some sort of "paid student"? and

That I behave like a Nazi (or worse yet am a Nazi)?

If that's the case, I want an apology right now.  Whether you believe we went to the moon or not, I am someone who sincerely believes (well, knows) we did, based on what I observed and the historical record.  You have no right to label me the way you did.  Period.

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #170 on: April 14, 2013, 06:02:09 PM »


Look, this is why I think you are a bunch of paid students or so. Clearly that was not proven, clearly the argument is avoided, there is only repeated battering of him with the same bunch of statements over and over again. It prevents knowledgeable posters from having a fair discussion and only convinces the ignorants who casually look into the matter. That is what I see. To bad, but that is how the Nazi's would work if internet existed then.

Did you just:

Imply that I'm a liar because I'm some sort of "paid student"? and

That I behave like a Nazi (or worse yet am a Nazi)?

If that's the case, I want an apology right now.  Whether you believe we went to the moon or not, I am someone who sincerely believes (well, knows) we did, based on what I observed and the historical record.  You have no right to label me the way you did.  Period.

I agree.
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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #171 on: April 14, 2013, 06:12:08 PM »


Look, this is why I think you are a bunch of paid students or so. Clearly that was not proven, clearly the argument is avoided, there is only repeated battering of him with the same bunch of statements over and over again. It prevents knowledgeable posters from having a fair discussion and only convinces the ignorants who casually look into the matter. That is what I see. To bad, but that is how the Nazi's would work if internet existed then.

Did you just:

Imply that I'm a liar because I'm some sort of "paid student"? and

That I behave like a Nazi (or worse yet am a Nazi)?

If that's the case, I want an apology right now.  Whether you believe we went to the moon or not, I am someone who sincerely believes (well, knows) we did, based on what I observed and the historical record.  You have no right to label me the way you did.  Period.
He thinks we are all American paid shills. How bonkers is that?

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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #172 on: April 14, 2013, 06:57:16 PM »
Well...the poop level has won again. I can't believe you are real people. It's a sad, sad reality you live in.

Some one under you 'believers' must see the grotesqueness of these reactions I would think. The below all measures kind of reactions should demonstrate to the observer why this Apollo myth is what it is: a myth.

What is "grotesque" about asking someone to prove what they assert?

Apollo is a matter of public record, huge public record; journals, plans, design schematics, video footage, photographs etc, comprising many tens of millions of pages of documentation. Behind it there hundreds of thousands of scientists, engineers, technicians, operators and observers from many different countries all over the world.

If you want to assert that the whole thing was faked, then the onus is upon YOU to prove that it was faked. Simply saying it don't make it so.

You need to show how it was faked... not just a few minutes of footage, but hour after hour of continuous (uninterrupted), live video. You have to show a complete plan for faking the design building and construction of all the components, and you have to prove that all those astronauts involved in the six successful moon landing missions ALL lied about it.

So far, in over 45 years, NOT ONE PERSON out of the over 400,000 who were directly involved in Apollo have ever blown the whistle. So far in over 30 years of assertion that the Apollo missions were faked, not one person, including Bart Sibrel, Jack White, Jarrah White, Bill Kaysing or any other the other self-appointed so-called experts on Apollo fakery), have ever been able to come up with a plan to fake the Apollo from start to finish, and the keep everyone involved quite about it.

Put up or shut up!!

EDIT: Fixed mistake - thanks darrenr
« Last Edit: April 14, 2013, 07:35:34 PM by smartcooky »
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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #173 on: April 14, 2013, 07:16:06 PM »


 you have to prove that the six men who walked on the moon ALL lied about it.



Ahh, I hate to be that guy, but it was twelve men.
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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #174 on: April 14, 2013, 07:32:03 PM »


 you have to prove that the six men who walked on the moon ALL lied about it.



Ahh, I hate to be that guy, but it was twelve men.

Ah yes, six successful missions, twelve men
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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #175 on: April 14, 2013, 07:47:14 PM »


 you have to prove that the six men who walked on the moon ALL lied about it.



Ahh, I hate to be that guy, but it was twelve men.

Ah yes, six successful missions, twelve men
Don't you hate it when you're just getting up a good head of righteous indignation and your brain-light flickers for an instant?

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No, I don't. The one making the claim is NASA, and you all. So you provide evidence, and I comment on it. But this thread was not about that subject. It was about integrity, why the 'believers' are such a lying bunch.

Um... no.  If you'll trouble yourself to check, this thread is about the dishonesty of conspiracy theorists.
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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #176 on: April 14, 2013, 07:54:04 PM »
Don't you hate it when you're just getting up a good head of righteous indignation and your brain-light flickers for an instant?

I was thinking six missions then typed six men.

I'll hide behind age. I was 14 when Armstrong walked at Tranquillity Base; you do the math!



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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #177 on: April 14, 2013, 08:10:50 PM »
No, I don't. The one making the claim is NASA, and you all. So you provide evidence, and I comment on it.

NASA has supported their claims with evidence. You accuse them of lying, a new claim which has it's own burden of proof. You make a claim, you prove it. Get it?


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But this thread was not about that subject. It was about integrity, why the 'believers' are such a lying bunch.

Hmm. It kind of sounds like you're telling us that we're being off topic in a thread you did not start. Very familiar behaviour... who does it remind me of, I wonder?
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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #178 on: April 14, 2013, 09:16:38 PM »
I'll hide behind age. I was 14 when Armstrong walked at Tranquillity Base; you do the math!

I was -7, which leads to the interesting contradiction that I must be more likely to believe in the hoax, because All You Whippersnappers Are Hoax Believers, and less likely to believe in the hoax, because You've All Been Brainwashed All Your Lives.  This one has always amused me.  Or anyway sometimes; sometimes, I just get annoyed.

If we know that this guy is a sock, why is he still here?  Especially since--correct me if I'm wrong--the person he is apparently a sock of isn't actually banned?  Too much rope.
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Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #179 on: April 14, 2013, 09:34:06 PM »
I'll hide behind age. I was 14 when Armstrong walked at Tranquillity Base; you do the math!

And I was 15, and in another 33 days after that......I was 16.

To tell the truth, I'm not an Apollo "believer," I know beyond a shadow of a doubt the Apollo landings happened.

How anyone without a single clue about what they may claim as a "smoking gun," without doing tiny bit of research is beyond me.

Here's a few sites to get anyone that mistakenly thinks the landings didn't happen:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/alsj/frame.html
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/
http://www.meteoris.de/luna/list.html     (This is a list of ALL the KNOWN lunar meteorites ever collected on the earth. No where close to 840 pounds.)
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/artifacts.html
http://onebigmonkey.comoj.com/obm/apollo.html

There you go, while this is by no means ALL of the proof/evidence.
Read it, you just might maybe learn something. Maybe.
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