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Offline benparry

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2022, 07:11:38 AM »
OBM which Facebook group is this on. I've been blocked from a few so i might not be able to see it :)

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2022, 11:37:20 AM »
It's the Moon-Landing Hoax one. Jarrah is a regular contributor:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1842692022608212

He, by the way, has raised a quizzical eyebrow at a paragraph in the FOI response, one which basically says "If you aren't Sgt Akers, you can't have the full details". He fails to notice the rest of the letter that says "If Sgt Akers is dead, his living relatives need to give permission". He's implying some sort of nefarious motive, when really it's just standard data protection. Akers' widow is still alive, ask her!
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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2022, 11:50:13 AM »
Ah ok yeah i do chat on that one. I commented on Mike Chaplins post the other day

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2022, 03:47:08 AM »
Ah ok yeah i do chat on that one. I commented on Mike Chaplins post the other day

My mistake, my search history confused me - the one to which I was referring was the very similarly named one here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1090895674258943/?ref=share

The site admins are making a lot noise, and have opened a youtube channel to store their Facebook live streams. They're very intolerant of trolls (ie anyone who disagrees with them), and post the usual regurgitated easily debunked tripe.

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2022, 05:28:54 AM »
Ah ok yeah i do chat on that one. I commented on Mike Chaplins post the other day

My mistake, my search history confused me - the one to which I was referring was the very similarly named one here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1090895674258943/?ref=share

The site admins are making a lot noise, and have opened a youtube channel to store their Facebook live streams. They're very intolerant of trolls (ie anyone who disagrees with them), and post the usual regurgitated easily debunked tripe.

Ha i am actually blocked from that one. It's amazing that somebody like me who is very lacking in the technical aspects of Apollo and has only learned what i know mainly from this site and others would be blocked whilst lots of other who are much more educated are ok to view. In my opinion it's because hoax people don't like those who argue with them all the time and i go back to my comment on a thread before when i said the hoax issue is a mental one.

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2023, 03:43:20 AM »
Bart's doubling down on his story and adding juicy embellishments. In this youtube interview



He now claims that Cyrus Akers murdered a co-worker in order to maintain the cover up. Straight up, honest as the day is long Cyrus Akers killed someone to cover up a lie. He then confessed this on his deathbed to Gene, who (naturally, being a similarly honest and straight up guy) called the police and military police and then changed his name out of shame.

Earlier in the interview he boldy insists that he's the kind of guy who would 'turn over a million stones' to find answer, but after this big reveal says that he's "tired of it" and wants other people to go out and search archival sources to see if they can find a missing person that fits the bill. We all know what kind of conman trick that is. Not tired of it enough not to endlessly promote his book though.

He also claims that an FOI revealed no evidence of Akers' air force service (not true, the FOI shows where he served in 1968, just not where we he wanted him to have served), that Bill Clinton's autobiography confirms the hoax (not true, he just relates talking to someone who was scpetical of where the rockets were going as a metaphor for something else), amd that one of his named individuals claims in an autobiography that he was at Cannon AFB for 'undisclosed security reasons' (no such autobiography exists), and that Akers lived 'within walking distance across from the main entrance to the base' (no such housing existed at the time).

Grifters gonna grift.

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2023, 11:45:51 AM »
It's the Moon-Landing Hoax one. Jarrah is a regular contributor:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1842692022608212

He, by the way, has raised a quizzical eyebrow at a paragraph in the FOI response, one which basically says "If you aren't Sgt Akers, you can't have the full details". He fails to notice the rest of the letter that says "If Sgt Akers is dead, his living relatives need to give permission". He's implying some sort of nefarious motive, when really it's just standard data protection. Akers' widow is still alive, ask her!
Since I don't do FB/Meta, please give me a Cliff notes on what was said?
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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2023, 07:40:12 AM »
That group's gone private now, so sadly not. Having googled what "cliff notes" are, I can only say that it's alreay in my post! The FOI response gives broad details of Akers' service but no specifics. Jarrah found this to be suspicious, when really it isn't.

This was the actual FOI return posted, which at the time the post was made was on a public forum:




(the blue highlight was by the original poster, the blocking of the sender is mine).

The long and short o fit is: at best, Sibrel is passing on unsupported hearsay evidence and presenting it as fact without doing any kind of background checking at all. At worst, he's knowingly putting out false information to sell copy.

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2023, 10:12:24 AM »
That group's gone private now, so sadly not. Having googled what "cliff notes" are, I can only say that it's alreay in my post! The FOI response gives broad details of Akers' service but no specifics. Jarrah found this to be suspicious, when really it isn't.

This was the actual FOI return posted, which at the time the post was made was on a public forum:




(the blue highlight was by the original poster, the blocking of the sender is mine).

The long and short o fit is: at best, Sibrel is passing on unsupported hearsay evidence and presenting it as fact without doing any kind of background checking at all. At worst, he's knowingly putting out false information to sell copy.
Being in England you may not use Cliff Notes but it was a short hand version of books, rather like Readers Digest.
Anyway, I listened to the droll for about 20 minutes before giving up and closing the vid. It is too bad Buzz wasn't around to punch him in the face, again.
You are correct grifters always grif, its in their genes.
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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2023, 11:58:05 AM »
Hilariously, everyone's favourite fake free energy specialist, "Dr Rasaviharii", has found what he thinks are the hangars in which the landings are filmed on "old Cannon Air Force Base" documents. Here's his claim:

"so as we know... Apollo 11, and maybe Apollo 12 was filmed in the hanger at Cannon Air Force Base... so i was searching through some old Cannon Air Force Base documents, and i found this old document which shows that there used to be a hanger... down on the other side of the runway... the main base is over to the left... but the blue building on the other side of the runway was always off limits... even normal military personnel did not have the clearance to go visit that hanger over there"

He conveniently forgets to date and source his "document", but it's actually part of a 1985 USGS map:

https://www.topoquest.com/map-detail.php?usgs_cell_id=36079

Sadly, he never bothered to check any of the photos and documents that exist for the base, or he would have realised that the blue 'buidings' are sewage lagoons, and they were full of the same stuff as his facebook post.

I've updated my page on this story to include this.

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2023, 12:46:11 AM »
I saw Rashers posts, regarding the Lunokhod 'stars' and the 'mannequin' the other day (can't post in the page though, banned).

I don't have photoshop or anything that good, so couldn't overlay pictures, but I did go to the video record since a lot of the photos can be supported by the video at the time, and you can see Cernan at the back of the rover as the camera pans around. He's not moving a lot as he's talking with Capcom (I think he's sorting samples or choosing his next tool IIRC).

For the Lunokhod pictures, one of the first things I noticed was there were 'stars' in the black vertical distortions. Tried dropping into Stellarium to see if I could match stars to the photos. While it was my first time using the program, I think I got the right area and angles and couldn't match star patterns (one picture had a really clear L shaped pattern that I figured would stand out).

I'm waiting for 2026 to come and go, with no revelation from NASA that the landings were faked, like Rasher keeps claiming they will.

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2023, 01:37:53 AM »
Don't know if you've seen the section of my site where I take on the idiotic things these people say, but it's turning into pretty much just him - I've certainly done those two claims of his.

He presents himself as some kind of authority but time and again he says the most ridiculous nonsense that shows how little he knows, but the credulous goons on his page just lap it up.

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2023, 06:39:59 AM »
Don't know if you've seen the section of my site where I take on the idiotic things these people say, but it's turning into pretty much just him - I've certainly done those two claims of his.

He presents himself as some kind of authority but time and again he says the most ridiculous nonsense that shows how little he knows, but the credulous goons on his page just lap it up.

I've flicked through a few sections on your site, some nice details in there. But yes, Rasher could almost have an entire section to himself, he's had some fun ones in the past. One of my favourites is still his claim of a photo from a CNSA craft where they had adjusted the camera to get stars in the picture.....but it was a computer animation. And he did it twice! You'd think someone working with CNSA would be in the know.

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2023, 07:23:50 AM »
Conspiracy theorists are eating themselves.

Bart is the lead article in the next edition of Nexus, in which he regurgitates the usual tripe in the first half and copy/pastes the deathbed confession part of his 'book' into the second.

Hilariously, he says this in the first bit:

"In fact, I know someone who works in the command centre of the Chinese space agency and they admitted to me that everyone there knows that the Apollo missions were falsified by the CIA for propaganda purposes and that the Chinese government is blackmailing NASA to export valuable technology to their country in exchange for not blowing the whistle on the lunar fraud, which is in direct violation of the Espionage Act by our own government."

The someone he knows is "Dr" Rasaviharii, who claims to work there, but clearly doesn't. Dr Rasa has fabricated a history for himself so he can fabricate the Chinese position, which Sibrel then uses to support his own fabricated nonsense. It very much would be a violation of the act, if it was actually happening, but it isn't.

I'm not going to post the actual photo that has been taken of the page, but it's here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10163630573983636&set=pcb.7398706793477768

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Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2023, 01:47:08 AM »
Rasha works in the CNSA Command Centre now?! Must have got a promotion  ;D

I love how Sibrel keeps using that picture for his parallel lines of the shadows going across the road, perfectly demonstrating that shadows change their direction with the surface they are cast on.