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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1485 on: October 25, 2020, 12:48:29 PM »
I live in Texas, just outside of Austin, often described as "the blueberry in the tomato soup."  Largely urban, populated mostly by lawyers, musicians, and code monkeys.  Strongly liberal, at least by Texas standards.

That describes Salt Lake City to a tee too.

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I’m not going to say Texas is actually in play, but ... this is not following the pattern of the last few decades.

Utah is not in play, not like our whopping six electoral votes matter anyway.  The state is gerrymandered as perma-red.  Lyndon B. Johnson was the last Democratic candidate for President who carried Utah.  But the the eyes of the world are upon Texas.  This will be interesting.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1486 on: October 26, 2020, 09:48:29 PM »
I hope this doesn't make me sound like too bad a person* but I figure the best outcome for the US right now is for Biden to win, but then die in office (or resign due health) a couple of months later, allowing Kamala Harris to take his place.




* I am a little evil but don't hold that against me.....

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1487 on: October 27, 2020, 02:55:13 AM »
I hope this doesn't make me sound like too bad a person* but I figure the best outcome for the US right now is for Biden to win, but then die in office (or resign due health) a couple of months later, allowing Kamala Harris to take his place.




* I am a little evil but don't hold that against me.....


I am sure you are not the only person who has.... ahem... entertained this thought.... I for one!
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1488 on: October 27, 2020, 07:13:36 AM »
I hope this doesn't make me sound like too bad a person* but I figure the best outcome for the US right now is for Biden to win, but then die in office (or resign due health) a couple of months later, allowing Kamala Harris to take his place.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1489 on: October 27, 2020, 09:14:54 AM »
I hope this doesn't make me sound like too bad a person* but I figure the best outcome for the US right now is for Biden to win, but then die in office (or resign due health) a couple of months later, allowing Kamala Harris to take his place.




* I am a little evil but don't hold that against me.....


I am sure you are not the only person who has.... ahem... entertained this thought.... I for one!

And just as strongly I hope not...

This is exactly what Trump supporters are predicting (Biden resigning, that is), and this is a particularly good example of not doing what your opponent wants - simply because that's what he wants. I think America can do without Trump supporter I-told-you-soes.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1490 on: October 27, 2020, 01:57:13 PM »
I fear a a greater dysfunction moving forward.  The Senate convened and worked in record time to put that horrible woman on the Supreme Court, precisely so that she could be in place to rule favorably on what is almost surely to be a contested election.  Then the Senate adjourned (not recessed -- that's important) for two weeks without passing sorely needed relief bills sent it it by the House, which have languished for weeks because the Senate Majority Leader (not an office spelled out in the Constitution) has partisan priorities.

As the White House, House of Representatives, and the Senate inevitably change hands, I fear that all productive lawmaking will cease as factions in Congress and the executive endlessly investigate each other, impeach each other, and wrestle for control over the judiciary.  Depending on the makeup of Congress during a prospective Joe Biden term as President, I predict he will be impeached as well.  And I fear impeachments will simply be a new feature of American politics.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1491 on: October 28, 2020, 11:03:32 AM »
So, a data point in case anyone’s interested...

I live in Texas, just outside of Austin, often described as "the blueberry in the tomato soup."  Largely urban, populated mostly by lawyers, musicians, and code monkeys.  Strongly liberal, at least by Texas standards. 

There's a quote I've heard attributed to LBJ that in Texas politics there are three types of counties:  urban counties, rural counties, and Travis County.


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1492 on: October 28, 2020, 03:58:11 PM »
So, a data point in case anyone’s interested...

I live in Texas, just outside of Austin, often described as "the blueberry in the tomato soup."  Largely urban, populated mostly by lawyers, musicians, and code monkeys.  Strongly liberal, at least by Texas standards. 

There's a quote I've heard attributed to LBJ that in Texas politics there are three types of counties:  urban counties, rural counties, and Travis County.

Hah!  That's likely apocryphal, but that doesn't make it any less funny (or true).

I don't expect Biden to run for a second term, but he damned well better make it all the way through this one. 

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1493 on: October 29, 2020, 03:55:20 AM »
I fear a a greater dysfunction moving forward.  The Senate convened and worked in record time to put that horrible woman on the Supreme Court...

Strong words. Do you mind expanding on this for the benefit of us out-of-towners who don't know her background?

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...precisely so that she could be in place to rule favorably on what is almost surely to be a contested election.  Then the Senate adjourned (not recessed -- that's important) for two weeks...

In what way is it important?

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...without passing sorely needed relief bills sent it it by the House, which have languished for weeks because the Senate Majority Leader (not an office spelled out in the Constitution) has partisan priorities...
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1494 on: October 29, 2020, 01:05:52 PM »
That Horrible Woman is quite firm that her religion is more important to the running of the country than the words of the Constitution, and that's just for starters.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1495 on: October 29, 2020, 01:08:51 PM »
Oh my god. Apparently his password was "maga2020!". If that is true he is a bigger idiot than I thought.

And again.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/hackers-steal-2-3-million-from-trumps-wisconsin-re-election-fund/

Funny how old Trumpy and his campaign keeps coming across those people with 197IQs and 15% of the passwords..... ::)
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1496 on: October 29, 2020, 01:12:39 PM »
Funny how old Trumpy and his campaign keeps coming across those people with 197IQs and 15% of the passwords..... ::)

If people never get hacked then it must be an inside job.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1497 on: October 29, 2020, 01:29:41 PM »
I fear a a greater dysfunction moving forward.  The Senate convened and worked in record time to put that horrible woman on the Supreme Court...

Strong words. Do you mind expanding on this for the benefit of us out-of-towners who don't know her background?

That Horrible Woman is quite firm that her religion is more important to the running of the country than the words of the Constitution, and that's just for starters.

Imagine if Barack Obama had nominated a Muslim woman who had made comments along the lines of "My legal career is but a means to an end…and that end is building the Kingdom of Allah." The Republicans would be up in arms. And yet that is apparently what Amy Coney Barrett has said (just substitute "Allah" with "God").

Not everyone in the United States is a Christian. The courts should be fair to everyone, and that means keeping religious beliefs out of the decision making process. I'm sure a Christian traveling in the Middle East would hope for the same if they ever found themselves on trial there.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1498 on: October 29, 2020, 03:22:57 PM »
I fear a a greater dysfunction moving forward.  The Senate convened and worked in record time to put that horrible woman on the Supreme Court...

Strong words. Do you mind expanding on this for the benefit of us out-of-towners who don't know her background?

That Horrible Woman is quite firm that her religion is more important to the running of the country than the words of the Constitution, and that's just for starters.

Imagine if Barack Obama

Ahem - I think you meant Barack HUSSEIN OMG SCARY NEGRO ISLAMOFASCIST SOCIALIST WHARGARRBL Obama, but carry on...

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had nominated a Muslim woman who had made comments along the lines of "My legal career is but a means to an end…and that end is building the Kingdom of Allah." The Republicans would be up in arms. And yet that is apparently what Amy Coney Barrett has said (just substitute "Allah" with "God").

Not everyone in the United States is a Christian. The courts should be fair to everyone, and that means keeping religious beliefs out of the decision making process. I'm sure a Christian traveling in the Middle East would hope for the same if they ever found themselves on trial there.

I get less grief for being an atheist compared to the vitriol I see against Muslims, Jews, and others.  Ain't nobody leading any tiki torch parades and shouting about us. 

I don't know if it was how or where I was raised or what, but I've never understood the kind of anti-semitism and Islamophobia on display now.  That kind of thinking just never computed for me. 

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1499 on: October 29, 2020, 03:38:53 PM »
Strong words.

Indeed, it's more accurate to say I think it's horrible that this particular candidate has replaced Justice Ginsburg.  Justice Barrett is eminently unqualified and/or distasteful in all the ways Justice Ginsburg excelled.

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Do you mind expanding on this for the benefit of us out-of-towners who don't know her background?

She's only been a judge for 2 years.  She's one of President Trump's railroad-through-the-Senate nominees.  Normally the process of vetting a judge takes considerable time, so that scholars can research the candidate thoroughly.  Normally a judge is in one office for long enough that a different Senate confirms her to the next higher judgeship.  She has had only cursory hearings before the McConnell Senate, with the 2018 election replacing only one-third of the senators who previously confirmed her.  A key element of her background is her work on the Bush v. Gore case.  It is widely thought that the only reason she was nominated was to rule in favor of Trump in a "contested" election.  She has one relevant, short-term qualification, and afterwards she's just an inexperienced, largely unknown judge.

She does have a highly conservative religious background.  That's nothing new.  Her religion is a source of concern for many, especially her former involvement in a particular sect of Catholicism.  As if there were any question where a Trump nominee would stand on questions like abortion and marriage equality, it is widely believed that she will do all in her power to enforce her conservative religious views.

But two aspects of her legal decision-making are especially disturbing.  Briefly, she's a Constitutional originalist.  This means she interprets the Constitution, as did her mentor Justice Scalia, according to the meaning of the text as it would have been understood in the days when it was written.  Originalism raises many questions.  But its central tenet is that where the Constitution is specifically silent on some particular question, the Court is not to invent a new right.  The right to marriage privacy was considered a "new" right, but the Roe court was not dominated by Originalists.  Justice Scalia's dissent in Obergefell v. Hodges railed against the "new right" of "gay marriage," which wasn't a right guaranteed in the Constitution.  These important rulings will now be almost certainly eroded if not outright overturned, now that the balance of ideology on the Court is shifting toward Originalism.

Justice Barrett's writings as a professor challenge the solidity of stare decisis, the core value of Common Law which means that issues once settled by a court should remain settled.  Justice Gorsuch was content to consider such things as abortion and marriage equality to be "settled" law when asked about them.  Justice Barrett likely will not be.  And since it takes only four Justices' concurrence to grant certiorari, these cases are likely to be reheard in some form or another.

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In what way is it important?

Adjournment does not end the session.  Recess does, and it allows the President then to make recess appointments to high offices without the immediate consent of the Senate.  Those appointees would then have the plenary power of their offices, rather than the limited power afforded by Congress to acting or temporary appointees.  But in the case of a recess appointment, Senate rules are invoked which then require the Senate to take up consideration of those appointments within the next session.  This allows Senate Democrats to question them in open hearings.  The President's temporary officers face only the scrutiny that ordinary public inquiry affords, and can therefore hide a multitude of sins.  Because Sen. Mitch McConnell does not fully trust the President, he prevents the President from forcing exposure on the Senate floor of all that's behind those who are leading the various offices of the executive.  Sen. McConnell is an experienced politician; Trump is not.  Also, Sen. McConnell is still busy appointing judges to the federal bench.  He does not want precious hearing time forcibly taken up by hearings for appointees who probably will not be in office past January 20 anyway.

But neither house of Congress can adjourn for more than three days without the consent of the other house.  So right now, every day, one senator goes into the chamber and performs the minimal duty required to allow the Senate to be "in session" for that day.  Then it is adjourned until the next day.  This may be repeated indefinitely.
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