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Offline darren r

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Stars in the sky
« on: January 29, 2013, 06:36:02 PM »
As I understand it, HB's believe that there are no stars in the photographs because NASA couldn't figure out which ones would be visible (and didn't know anyone who could).

However, given that there are some photos that have stars in them, do any of them show recognisable constellations, further hammering the nails in the coffin?

I did try to Google this, but I couldn't find an answer, so I figured you guys would know.

Incidentally, while searching for an answer, I stumbled across an HB blog, which listed all the usual tired old reasons why it was a hoax. But there was also this gem :

5. The Moon landings took place during the Cold War. Why didn't America make a signal on the moon that could be seen from earth? The PR would have been phenomenal and it could have been easily done with magnesium flares.

They could have painted a big smiley face while they were at it.
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Offline AtomicDog

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2013, 06:50:29 PM »
I guess hoax believers are unaware of the existence of planetariums.
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Offline Zakalwe

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2013, 04:41:43 AM »
They ones that spring to my mind are the UV shots from A16:

The Large Magellanic Cloud:



Cygnus:


Fornax:
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Offline ka9q

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2013, 07:11:43 AM »
Additionally proving, btw, that the photos were not faked on earth, at least not from anywhere in the United States. The Large Magellanic Cloud is only visible from the southern hemisphere.

Offline Zakalwe

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2013, 07:34:09 AM »
Additionally proving, btw, that the photos were not faked on earth, at least not from anywhere in the United States. The Large Magellanic Cloud is only visible from the southern hemisphere.

Plus the fact that they were taken in UV wavelengths that are blocked by the Earth's atmosphere.
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Offline Glom

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2013, 07:41:30 AM »
Magnesium flares. That takes me back. I think we raised how practical it is to use magnesium flares without an atmosphere.

Offline twik

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2013, 09:56:06 AM »
I guess hoax believers are unaware of the existence of planetariums.

I recall Jay taking on an HBer once, by asking, "OK, I have a can of paint right here. Why can't I put in the stars? If someone on earth could tell they're wrong, there must be some way to calculate that they're right. What's stopping me from doing that?"

There was never any real answer to that, as I recall. Just that "any earth astronomer or amateur with a telescope would see the stars are wrong, if NASA tried to put them in."

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2013, 10:15:30 AM »
Additionally proving, btw, that the photos were not faked on earth, at least not from anywhere in the United States. The Large Magellanic Cloud is only visible from the southern hemisphere.

The LMC is visible to anyone who is south of 20° North at some time of the year. Let's not give the 'Nibiru is only visible from the south pole' crowd any ammo.

Offline ka9q

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2013, 06:06:09 AM »
Well, that excludes all of the United States except for most of the big island of Hawaii. And only at certain times of the year, as you say.

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Offline Inanimate Carbon Rod

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 03:01:25 PM »
Here's a Apollo 14 pic where a star is visible.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-64-9057.jpg

NASA have started retrospectively adding stars to the Apollo pics, I expect  ;D
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Offline Trebor

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 04:04:06 PM »
Here's a Apollo 14 pic where a star is visible.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-64-9057.jpg

NASA have started retrospectively adding stars to the Apollo pics, I expect  ;D

Is that in fact definitely a star?

Offline Inanimate Carbon Rod

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 04:11:05 PM »
Here's a Apollo 14 pic where a star is visible.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-64-9057.jpg

NASA have started retrospectively adding stars to the Apollo pics, I expect  ;D

Is that in fact definitely a star?

I thought it was? I could be wrong.
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Offline Donnie B.

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 04:32:53 PM »
It could easily be a speck of dust on the negative, or a defect in the scanning process.

Offline smartcooky

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Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 05:19:29 PM »
It could easily be a speck of dust on the negative, or a defect in the scanning process.

I thought there weren't any negatives; that they used transparency film, in which case, a speck of dust would be black (just like the two specks directly below the "star" just above the hills),  not white.
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Offline Glom

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Re: Re: Stars in the sky
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 05:41:45 PM »
It could easily be a speck of dust on the negative, or a defect in the scanning process.

I thought there weren't any negatives; that they used transparency film, in which case, a speck of dust would be black (just like the two specks directly below the "star" just above the hills),  not white.

The colour was transparency. The black & white was negative.