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Title: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 12, 2022, 12:53:05 AM
Sibrel's book 'Moon Man' has a fanciful section that recounts an alleged deathbed confession from an unnamed security chief at Cannon Air Force Base. The story is that LBJ himself turned up to supervise the construction and filming of Apollo 11 and all were sworn to secrecy:

https://youtu.be/xt4sIbAq7WQ

The person in the video is supposedly the son who received the confession, who himself has been threatened and is now making his own deathbed story.

His version is pretty much word for word what Sibrel has in his book, and he seems to have been the one to have contacted Bart. It would be wrong of me to suggest that the fee for this information went on meth.

Have fun with it.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: gillianren on September 12, 2022, 11:26:21 AM
Yes, that would have been easy to cover up.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 12, 2022, 12:55:24 PM
Now that I'm not posting on my phone I can give a bit more detail.

I'm not going to reproduce it verbatim to avoid copyright isses, but you can read the bulk of the allegations made in Sibrel's book here:

https://stratagemsoftheright.blogspot.com/2021/09/exposing-lyndon-johnsons-apollo-fraud.html

Search for the following text to get to the meat of it and avoid Sibrel's fantasy life of CIA abduction and men in black skullduggery (and his flat out lie that Armstrong confessed to him privately just before conveniently dying):

"Now I have something major to disclose"

These are the same allegations repeated almost verbatim by the person in the video.

Now, Sibrel presents his story as if it was recounted to him in person, whereas this video makes it clear that it was "My dad told me...". He was also the one who supposedly contacted Bart.

He also claims that the person involved, now supposedly identified as Cyrus Eugene Akers, was the "Chief of Security" at the base. Akers' own gravestone (not hard to find) identifies him as a staff sergeant in the Air Police. Those are the first easy holes to pick in the story.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: PDI-11 on September 12, 2022, 01:15:45 PM
The video indicates the fake moon landing filming was done in June 1968. That puts it before the first manned Apollo mission, Apollo 7.

When was the crew of Apollo 11 announced? I think this alternate timeline indicates that Deke Slayton had no choice to choose Armstrong and Aldrin since they had already filmed the moon landing.  8)

This makes we wonder what I will say on my deathbed.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 12, 2022, 02:04:55 PM
There have already been posts showing LBJ at his ranch in June 1968, a mere 3 hour helicopter ride away from Cannon AFB  ::)
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 12, 2022, 05:11:10 PM
It's hilarous. The claim made on facebook (where the blunder and others are touting this as yet another smoking gun) is that LBJ's guests didn't exist and the diary entries are faked.

The entry for June 1st (the one specifically referenced by the facebook contributor) shows one of the guests as Gregory Peck.

He's seen here on May 31st:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trHIgI6S190

These people will clutch at any straw.

Perusal of the diary entries for the entirety of June shows LBJ's activities minute by minute, including public appearances - the majority of them at the White House. There was also the small matter of RFK's assassination to deal with. The idea that a sitting president could just vanish for a few days to oversee something that he would not be a part of (having already decided not to stand 2 months earlier) is utterly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: BertieSlack on September 13, 2022, 02:54:51 AM
It's hilarous.

I'm already having fun on Twitter with this.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 13, 2022, 03:33:36 AM
It's hilarous.

I'm already having fun on Twitter with this.

People will micro-analyse every shadow on every pebble but won't question blatant fabrications. Apparently we're the ones with cognitive dissonance  ::)
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 13, 2022, 04:44:06 AM
Gene Akers seemingly is a Pink Floyd obsessive, according to an old LinkedIn page, which would explain the name change.

He did indeed die in February this year. His house did indeed mysteriously burn down - in October 2021. The video where he claims he lost everything in a fire of unknown origin was supposedly recorded in April 2020. The GoFundMe for that

https://www.gofundme.com/f/fire-destroyed-home-anything-helps

Didn't raise what they hoped.

Follow the money...
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 13, 2022, 05:19:54 AM
Seems he (and his wife) were also behind a film production company registered in Florida - Brain Storm productions LLC.

Film production you say...
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: BertieSlack on September 13, 2022, 06:31:57 AM
The video indicates the fake moon landing filming was done in June 1968.

Have you got a timestamp for that? Cheers.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 13, 2022, 10:19:46 AM
The video indicates the fake moon landing filming was done in June 1968.

Have you got a timestamp for that? Cheers.

The June dates are given on screen at 8:19, I don't think he specifically says them.

To be fair, he also doesn't specify which fire totally destroys stuff. It might not have been the one in 2021. What are the odds?

Someone else on the web identified that the phrase 'slam dunk'was first coined in the early 70s, so wouldn't have been used by LBJ.

It isn't difficult to find that he was in quite a successful Pink Floyd tribute band, but his social.media has nothing to suggest any conspiratorial bent.

Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: HeadLikeARock on September 13, 2022, 01:04:54 PM
Now that I'm not posting on my phone I can give a bit more detail.

I'm not going to reproduce it verbatim to avoid copyright isses, but you can read the bulk of the allegations made in Sibrel's book here:

https://stratagemsoftheright.blogspot.com/2021/09/exposing-lyndon-johnsons-apollo-fraud.html


Hmmm. The author of that piece states on the page that:-

Quote
NOTE: This piece analyzes Bart Sibrel's September-2021-published book, Moon Man: The True Story of a Filmmaker on the CIA Hit List, spoiling some of its shocking contents. Because the book is being digitally shadow-banned from searches, I aim to boost this critical information to the widest audience possible

I've no idea what "digitally shadow-banned from searches" means, but when I Googled the title, the very first hit was a link to where you can buy Sibrel's book on Amazon. So they're not doing a very good job of "digitally shadow-banning".

In the analysis of the Apollo 15 photos on the same page, he states:-

Quote
Very little visual-spatial intelligence is needed to understand the Apollo photographs were not taken on the Moon, but in some type of studio.

Sadly, that is where every Apollo hoax believer fails when it comes to analysing photos: you DO need visual spatial intelligence, otherwise you'll come to wrong conclusions.

PS Sorry I've been away for a while, NASA stopped sending me shill-cheques when Constellation got cancelled. Thank you Artemis, may the good times roll! (I'll grab me coat).
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: Mag40 on September 13, 2022, 03:46:24 PM
Now the Blunder has mirrored this pile of stinking dung on his channel. It seems that all the education he received about rocks and space have not really broken through his thick skull. I'm wondering whether Sibrel may have tipped him some percentage on the royalties from the sales of his future toilet paper book.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 14, 2022, 02:10:44 AM
Michael James Myers has now transcribed and 'analysed' the video here:

http://stratagemsoftheright.blogspot.com/2022/09/analysis-of-moon-hoax-confession-made.html

In reading that I spotted that I was mistaken in thinking that Sibrel initially said he'd heard the story directly from Cyrus Akers. He does make it clear that he only ever had this as second hand testimony.

Apologies for any confusion.

In my reading around last night I'm convinced that the reason Sibrel has latched onto June 1-3 is because those are the only dates that he can pick where LBJ wasn't publicly recorded in the White House or other locations. Unfortunately for him there are videos of him with his Ranch guests on some of those days (edit: specifically June 1st, the only day Mr Gilmore actually claims LBJ was there https://youtu.be/Z3KPxvmNPPw ).

Edit to add: Myers has now cottoned on to the slam dunk claim and suggests that it might be from 1969. Which is, the last time I looked, not 1968. Apologists for the claim think Mr Gilmore could just be misremembering that one specific thing but somehow has perfect recall of everything else. Uh-huh...
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: BertieSlack on September 14, 2022, 07:49:42 AM
Now the Blunder has mirrored this pile of stinking dung on his channel.

Some hoaxnuts on Twitter are whining that the video has "been taken down by Youtube". Dunno which channel they're referring to tho'.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: Mag40 on September 14, 2022, 08:27:44 AM
Now the Blunder has mirrored this pile of stinking dung on his channel.

Some hoaxnuts on Twitter are whining that the video has "been taken down by Youtube". Dunno which channel they're referring to tho'.

The one in the OP has been removed by the uploader. Should we start playing the ultra dramatic music?
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 14, 2022, 10:12:42 AM
Now the Blunder has mirrored this pile of stinking dung on his channel.

Some hoaxnuts on Twitter are whining that the video has "been taken down by Youtube". Dunno which channel they're referring to tho'.

Might be worth grabbing an original before a modified version with fewer gaping holes appears.

Interesting browsing the names listed. Arthur Trudeau retired long before 1968. Robert Emmeneger worked in advertising at the time and is a UFO nut. Grant Noory doesn't seem to exist, but a too young George Noory does, also a UFO nut.

Gilmore insists he's telling the truth. Every liar ever said the same
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 14, 2022, 11:37:08 AM
Rarely is a sporting term so disputed. Jarrah is now railing against propagandists saying the term slam dunk post-dates the apollo era, citing a Web article that says the move was banned before Apollo.

Sorry Jarrah. The move may have been banned before the missions, but the term describing the move didn't exist when it's claimed LBJ used it. LBJ also didn't use it because he was never involved in the farcical nonsense Sibrel has either concocted or fallen for here.

Seeing as I'm here, the other claim being made is that a record of LBJ's visit to Cannon AFB has somehow been expunged not just from their website, but every Wayback machine record, every Presidential diary entry, everywhere, solely as a result of Sibrel's 'investigation'. Or is it just that such a report never existed because it never happened, and Sibrel just needs some sense knocking into him again?
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: Von_Smith on September 14, 2022, 04:04:15 PM
Sibrel's book 'Moon Man' has a fanciful section that recounts an alleged deathbed confession from an unnamed security chief at Cannon Air Force Base. The story is that LBJ himself turned up to supervise the construction and filming of Apollo 11 and all were sworn to secrecy:

https://youtu.be/xt4sIbAq7WQ

The person in the video is supposedly the son who received the confession, who himself has been threatened and is now making his own deathbed story.

His version is pretty much word for word what Sibrel has in his book, and he seems to have been the one to have contacted Bart. It would be wrong of me to suggest that the fee for this information went on meth.

Have fun with it.

Does he claim that Nixon showed up to record his message to them, as well?
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: Obviousman on September 14, 2022, 04:33:11 PM
Nutters. I just no longer have time for them.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: Zakalwe on September 15, 2022, 02:52:56 AM
Now the Blunder has mirrored this pile of stinking dung on his channel.

Some hoaxnuts on Twitter are whining that the video has "been taken down by Youtube". Dunno which channel they're referring to tho'.

The one in the OP has been removed by the uploader. Should we start playing the ultra dramatic music?

(https://c.tenor.com/OK-dmx5cqJkAAAAC/dramatic-music.gif)
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: BertieSlack on September 15, 2022, 03:17:10 AM
Nutters. I just no longer have time for them.

It's getting like 'Cluedo' now. It used to be 'Kubrick in Nevada with the front projection' and now it's 'Johnson in New Mexico with the slamdunk'
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 15, 2022, 04:14:32 AM
Nutters. I just no longer have time for them.

It's getting like 'Cluedo' now. It used to be 'Kubrick in Nevada with the front projection' and now it's 'Johnson in New Mexico with the slamdunk'

 ;D

Any military historians out there? Sibrel claims Cannon was chosen because it was the home of the 'Special Operations Command Center', something that didn't seem to exist until 1983, and which was preceded by Tactical Air Command in Langley.

I'm also puzzled by Joe Kerwen's inclusion in the list of approved personnel. He was already booked onto Skylab at this point (or the Apollo Applications Program as it was then).

So, the story so far: a dead guy says a dead guy told him stuff, but the dog ate his homework, spooky music etc etc. The dead guy's house burns down and their family have to beg for money to help out, even having to sell the family dogs when he passes on, but no money changed hands to help Bart sell his book. Uh-huh...
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: Count Zero on September 15, 2022, 08:17:31 AM
So, the story so far: a dead guy says a dead guy told him stuff, but the dog ate his homework, spooky music etc etc. The dead guy's house burns down and their family have to beg for money to help out, even having to sell the family dogs when he passes on, but no money changed hands to help Bart sell his book. Uh-huh...

It's dead guys all the way down...
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 18, 2022, 03:15:47 AM
Wow. Just wow. Not only did Mr Akers senior's obituary get mysteriously added to the 'find a grave' site not long after Sibrel's video, but now someone has added a screenshot of Sibrel's newly uploaded video, complete with link to Sibrel's site on it.

There's me trying to be respectful to the family by not revealing their details and someone does this!

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/48955542/cyrus-e-akers

Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 18, 2022, 11:32:54 AM
Well, the key to all this seems to be Cyrus E Akers' story, and that is proving very difficult to pin down. A quick free trial at ancestry,com is helpful, to a point.

What it reveals is that Staff Sergeant Akers left the military in 1973. That's it!

What we can glean from his widow's records (she is still alive it would seem) is that she didn't seem to stray far from her home state of Michigan until moving to Florida with Cyrus in 1977. There's an interesting record of her returning to McGuire AFB from Germany with her son in 1959, but that's all we get - there's no record of Cyrus travelling with her. The passenger manifest lists the number of military personnel but they don't seem to need to complete entry cards. Her home address listed on the immigration card is a PO Box in Kinross township in Michigan. This township is not far from Rudyard, from whence the Akers' migrated to Florida in 1977. In 1960 she is listed as a book keeper for a company in Sault Sainte Marie, which again suggests she has left the military (both she and her husband were serving at the time of the Korean War). Gene's schools are both listed as in Michigan, and he attended College at Sault Sainte Marie, so it seems likely that he never went to New Mexico.

All of this suggests one of two things. Either Mrs Akers stayed with or near her parents in Michigan while Cyrus carried on working whichever base he was assigned to, or Cyrus was nowhere near Cannon AFB and served at a base in Michigan, such as Kincheloe AFB. He could equally have been serving in Vietnam, as listed on his gravestone. If he was at Cannon, he joined his wife in Michigan in 1974 before they left for warmer climes.

The idea that Cannon AFB was chosen for filming as a quiet and sleepy out of the way place is also nonsense. In May 1968 it was chosen as a training ground for the 4429th Combat Crew Training Squadron, and it was also a training ground for the many pilots being readied for service in Vietnam. It was pretty busy, and as such would have been a monumentally stupid place to pick as a covert filming location.

The idea that Armstrong and Aldrn wre also popping buy to oversee the proceedings is also pretty dumb, given that their training schedule was pretty intense even a year before their mission.

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11CrewTrainingSummaries.pdf

in summary: a dead guy says a dead guy said. The original dead guy said it, only then it turns out the other dead guy said it. The notes were stolen, and nothing else, but then a computer was stolen as well. The dead guy still manages to read the notes. All the other evidence was destroyed in a fire that hadn't happened yet. LBJ was there, while simultaneously partying with Hollywood stars and Apollo 11 crew were also there while at the same time training at the Cape. The secret location for all this was a busy training ground for soldiers and air crew.

Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: JayUtah on September 19, 2022, 10:24:30 AM
All typical Sibrel. At least the English accountant gave us a more amusing ride along the way.
Title: Re: Brother Bart's at it again...
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 27, 2022, 03:27:58 AM
Interesting twist here. One moon hoax loon on Facebook came up with this story bout an air police sergeant reporting a ufo at Cannon Air base

http://www.nicap.org/cannon68xxxxdir.htm

Again, what are the odds?

More digging reveals that one of the names on the list, Arthur Trudeau, has an alleged Roswell link.

So, my new theory is that our original alleged deathbed confessor is a deluded fantasist with a thing for alien stories. Whether his son is a party to that is a different thing.