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Offline ka9q

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Re: A Little Help, Please?
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2013, 12:16:05 AM »
Oh, I don't know.  I suspect not much has changed in this regard for thousands of years.
That's precisely the problem! Our mode of thinking hasn't changed for thousands of years. But our numbers, our technology and our impact on the environment have all changed, and they're all in an unprecedented state.


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Re: A Little Help, Please?
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2013, 12:53:41 AM »
Oh, I don't know.  I suspect not much has changed in this regard for thousands of years.
That's precisely the problem! Our mode of thinking hasn't changed for thousands of years. But our numbers, our technology and our impact on the environment have all changed, and they're all in an unprecedented state.

But then (assuming we're right about how much thought has changed) all of this happened despite a lack of fundamental change in modes of thinking.
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Re: A Little Help, Please?
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2013, 07:08:14 AM »
Biologically we're little different from our ancestors of 200,000 years ago. But because we have culture, defined as the passing down of knowledge from generation to generation, we have the accumulated knowledge of all the generations between them and us. In particular we have the discovery of a highly effective method for determining how the natural world works, and the application of this discovery has been enormously successful.

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Re: A Little Help, Please?
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2013, 07:57:34 AM »
Newton's famous quote: "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants."
Well, it is like this: The truth doesn't need insults. Insults are the refuge of a darkened mind, a mind that refuses to open and see. Foul language can't outcompete knowledge. And knowledge is the result of education. Education is the result of the wish to know more, not less.

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Re: A Little Help, Please?
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2013, 12:44:02 AM »
Exactly. I've always loved that quote.

Interestingly enough, I don't think it's exactly original with him, either. Which just underscores the point that it makes.

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Re: A Little Help, Please?
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2013, 01:29:51 AM »
Truth don't matter who says it. That's one if its terrible beauties.

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Re: A Little Help, Please?
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2013, 07:49:12 AM »
The metaphor is quite old.  There are four windows in the Chartres Cathedral that show the four  evangelists sitting on the shoulders of the four main Jewish prophets.  The prophets are noticeably taller than the evangelist, thus on the shoulders of giants. 
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Offline darren r

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Re: A Little Help, Please?
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2013, 10:52:47 AM »
Exactly. I've always loved that quote.

Interestingly enough, I don't think it's exactly original with him, either. Which just underscores the point that it makes.

It's also believed to have been a subtle insult aimed at one of his rivals, a man of short stature.
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