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Offline Von_Smith

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Re: Apollo 11 Lunar Lander Pre-Launch
« Reply #165 on: Today at 08:57:11 AM »

The left tire is at least thirty percent bigger than the right. How is that possible if the pic is taken from this distance?

It takes some belief in your own position to seriously postulate that someone would build a Rover (even for a hoax scenario) with one wheel bigger than the other.

Yup.  I once read (I think it was here) that the toughest question for hoax proponents is:  "What do you think actually happened?"  Apparently, jr. Knowing thinks that what happened was that they deliberately built a rover with one wheel *significantly* larger than its opposite number for some reason, with all the design and fabrication challenges that poses.

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Re: Apollo 11 Lunar Lander Pre-Launch
« Reply #166 on: Today at 11:09:51 AM »
Hi Jay,
 I never suggested the actual LM landings were hoaxed.


But, to me, it appears EVA 1 was done first and then the landing site. The site was re-dressed somewhat and the tire tracks were just literally walked over.

So, you actually think that the landings are real, but then there were additional "movie sets" that were  faked? And the LM should have looked different...

P.S.
could you also explain if you believe that the fakers were morons who didn't ask engineers how the hardware should look, or that the engineers were morons and you  (and a few other Hoaxers) are the only ones noticing it?
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Re: Apollo 11 Lunar Lander Pre-Launch
« Reply #167 on: Today at 01:08:14 PM »
Hi Peter B,

The left tire is at least thirty percent bigger than the right. How is that possible if the pic is taken from this distance? Download the hi resolution photo of the LR pic.  Zoom into the rear wheels. Both tires are off the ground. Not only will you will see there are no tire tracks but there a footprints instead (especially right tire) I have also attached a marked photo pointing to the rear axels. One is pointing outwards and the other is much smaller pointing inwards. With regards to the rear antenna (the name escapes me) the antenna normally looks flat. ie the wires are flat, horizontal. The only way you can see this design is from below.

Per the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, this image was taken with the 60mm lens, which for the 70mm film format is slightly wide angle, roughly equivalent to a 35mm lens on 35mm film or full frame digital sensor.  The will translate into a slightly exaggerated perspective. 

There's also the fact that the LRV is parked at an angle relative to the camera.  That, combined with the slightly exaggerated perspective, is plenty to explain why one side looks smaller than the other. 

Both rear wheels are definitely on the ground; the left is resting on a slight rise (like halfway up a speed bump).  The LRV is parked on a slight downward incline, and the camera is aimed slightly below the centerline, so yeah, you're looking at that antenna from underneath. 

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Re: Apollo 11 Lunar Lander Pre-Launch
« Reply #168 on: Today at 01:30:49 PM »
I wish that people would learn at least a little photography before attempting to analyze photographs.
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Re: Apollo 11 Lunar Lander Pre-Launch
« Reply #169 on: Today at 01:32:08 PM »
Hey! I'm Mars now!
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Re: Apollo 11 Lunar Lander Pre-Launch
« Reply #170 on: Today at 01:34:01 PM »
Hi Peter B,

The left tire is at least thirty percent bigger than the right. How is that possible if the pic is taken from this distance? Download the hi resolution photo of the LR pic.  Zoom into the rear wheels. Both tires are off the ground. Not only will you will see there are no tire tracks but there a footprints instead (especially right tire) I have also attached a marked photo pointing to the rear axels. One is pointing outwards and the other is much smaller pointing inwards. With regards to the rear antenna (the name escapes me) the antenna normally looks flat. ie the wires are flat, horizontal. The only way you can see this design is from below.

What I and others have concluded your image analysis lacks a great deal.  In addition your timeline analysis is in error.  Perhaps instead of looking for "anomalies" you should enjoy the images for what they are a successful end to a great program that landed 6 crews on the Lunar surface and returned them safely.
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Re: Apollo 11 Lunar Lander Pre-Launch
« Reply #171 on: Today at 01:42:17 PM »
I wish that people would learn at least a little photography before attempting to analyze photographs.

Same here.  I can certainly do a full photogrammetric rectification of the photo in question, if it becomes necessary.  But it won't as long as the people questioning the authenticity of these photos can't work out the basic principle that different parts of the image represent different lines of sight.  Even simple concepts like barrel distortion seem lost on some of these people who try to be image analysts.
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Re: Apollo 11 Lunar Lander Pre-Launch
« Reply #172 on: Today at 02:39:13 PM »
I wish that people would learn at least a little photography before attempting to analyze photographs.

Talking to me or Jr?