Author Topic: The Absence of Airlocks  (Read 2892 times)

Offline gillianren

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Re: The Absence of Airlocks
« Reply #165 on: September 12, 2019, 01:37:47 PM »
I have yet to see any subject about which he hasn't demonstrated ignorance.
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Offline NthBrick

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Re: The Absence of Airlocks
« Reply #166 on: September 12, 2019, 04:37:46 PM »
Here's a question for the ages, jr Knowing. If someone like you could 'figure out' an airlock would be needed, why didn't the folks at Grumman? Even if it was a hoax, these folks would still be doing their darndest to design and build a functional Lunar Module, right?

Leaving aside all science... this is something i would like for jr to adress...
I'll just slap an agreement on here, too. Engineers aren't idiots -- if you're attempting to hoax something, but need to put up a front of legitimacy, the last thing you want to do is have engineers build something that they know won't work. Otherwise, you're needlessly increasing the number of people who have to know about the conspiracy.

Conversely why would one design and build something that would work and not use it.  This was one of the arguments that our recent poster Derek K Willis proposed.
It sort of gets down to the root of the issue -- what exactly was stopping the Apollo missions from being possible? Radiation? No, James Van Allen debunked that himself. Technology? The Saturn V was clearly able to launch and the engineers involved haven't voiced any doubts about it's capabilities -- heck, it was designed specifically to go to the moon, it isn't as if it was hacked together from a bunch of junk laying around and the engineers were praying it could get to the corner store and back.

Unless you're, I dunno, a flat earther, I can't see any actually impenetrable barriers to the whole system working as advertised. Just engineering challenges to work out.

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Re: The Absence of Airlocks
« Reply #167 on: September 12, 2019, 06:53:42 PM »
The hoax believers NEED it to not work, because their worldview and their sense of self is centered around themselves having superior knowledge - themselves being special, worth something. Therefore they will dismiss evidence which shows them their worldview is wrong. They may actually be unable to see it.
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Re: The Absence of Airlocks
« Reply #168 on: September 13, 2019, 12:38:30 PM »
The hoax believers NEED it to not work, because their worldview and their sense of self is centered around themselves having superior knowledge - themselves being special, worth something. Therefore they will dismiss evidence which shows them their worldview is wrong. They may actually be unable to see it.

Narcissistic behavior of always being "right".
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Offline NthBrick

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Re: The Absence of Airlocks
« Reply #169 on: September 13, 2019, 04:49:37 PM »
The hoax believers NEED it to not work, because their worldview and their sense of self is centered around themselves having superior knowledge - themselves being special, worth something. Therefore they will dismiss evidence which shows them their worldview is wrong. They may actually be unable to see it.
I typically try and take a more gracious position with respect to your average hoax nut, i.e. they may be well-meaning but mistaken, but am slowly becoming convinced that it all boils down to a self-centered desire to be right when everyone else is "deceived". Just the way some that I've interacted with recently respond to pretty basic corrections, and questioning of their conclusions doesn't make me think they're horribly genuine.

Not that I've interacted one-on-one with either, but jr knowing and cambo's behavior is basically hoax nut 101 -- they all follow very similar strategies.