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Offline molesworth

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Re: Faking the moon landings
« Reply #390 on: December 29, 2018, 06:08:29 PM »
I had to go a long way back to find the context for this.  It's on page 19 if anyone is interested in reading more.

The response is to cambo's comment :
Even if the science is correct, it would only show us that space flight is possible, but in no way would it be proof that these events have actually took place. In the case of Apollo, Surely the visual record is the only source of real evidence, as without this evidence, we would only have NASA’s word.

There's a lot more than just the visual record (by which I assume you mean the photos, film and video), although you seem determined to dismiss all of it without any real analysis.  The fact that such an extensive and detailed record exists can't easily be ignored, especially when it's not just "NASA" providing us with evidence.  A huge array of information, from people all over the world, in many different disciplines, both from the time of the missions, and in subsequent analysis, supports the case that Apollo happened.

What do you mean when you say “an extensive and detailed record”? Are you talking about things such as the original video tapes from Apollo 11 and all that telemetry data from the missions? And surely the old technology that enabled them to achieve such an incredible feat, must also be well documented? Or are you merely referring to the written account of events?
Since you claimed the visual (video) record was "the only real evidence", my response was that there are many other parts of the record which are non-visual, but which are equally important, and confirm the reality of Apollo.  The video record is interesting, but is probably not as important as many other pieces of evidence generated during the project.

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Could you be more specific about this huge array of evidence from people all over the world, from the time of the missions, that would support the idea that NASA were successful in sending men to the moon and back nine times in under four years, without a single casualty.
How specific do you want me to be?  If you take the time to read other threads on this forum you'll find references to many, many types of evidence.  It would take days to document even the main parts of it, but, for example, there's the photographic archive, not just from the missions, but of all the supporting developments and work during the programme.

Then there's all the engineering documentation of every aspect of the programme, from the enormous undertaking of developing the launch vehicles, to tiny details like the layouts of control panels.  Another form of written documentation is the paper trail of memos, letters, faxes etc. etc. discussing all sorts of aspects of the project, including personnel issues, development problems, cost issues etc.  A lot of it might seem to be trivialities, but it is still supporting evidence.

And if you're looking for international documentation, there's everything from Soviet reports on the Apollo missions, to the records from people and organisations which tracked and listened in to the missions (including private individuals).  These are all corroborating which add to the proof that these missions took place as stated.

If you're going to claim this is all "hoaxed" you need to explain each and every part of this vast array of varied evidence.

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The video record is the only true source of evidence, as it was the hardest thing to fake, and boy did they mess up. Including video footage of the events was a big mistake,
In what way?  I've yet to see anything which even begins to look like evidence that any video footage was faked.

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and they’ve since learned their lesson, as even the latest fake mars mission doesn’t include video footage.
What on earth (  ;) ) are you wittering on about?  Which Mars mission?  If you're talking about Insight, then why do you think it should have a video camera?  It has two cameras which are for specific purposes - yet again you're falling into the trap of expecting mission planners and designers to waste weight and power to provide "entertainment" for numpties who might doubt the reality of what they're accomplishing...

[edit] As I'm replying in the throes of post-crimbo stupor, I should have added mention of all the other non-visual pieces of evidence, such as those mentioned by bknight above.  Thanks for that.  Any thoughts on all of this additional evidence cambo?
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Re: Faking the moon landings
« Reply #391 on: December 30, 2018, 08:44:12 AM »
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What on earth (  ;) ) are you wittering on about?  Which Mars mission?  If you're talking about Insight, then why do you think it should have a video camera?  It has two cameras which are for specific purposes - yet again you're falling into the trap of expecting mission planners and designers to waste weight and power to provide "entertainment" for numpties who might doubt the reality of what they're accomplishing...

But we NEED 60 fps HD video of Mars rocks! Never mind the amount of data or getting it back from Mars.
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Re: Faking the moon landings
« Reply #392 on: January 08, 2019, 01:03:22 PM »
First of all, we are talking a multibillion dollar organisation, not some two-bit “live” stage production.

Here's a link to our latest "two-bit live stage production."
https://www.sltrib.com/artsliving/2019/01/08/here-are-top-whiz-bang/
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Re: Faking the moon landings
« Reply #393 on: January 09, 2019, 04:30:27 AM »

Here's a link to our latest "two-bit live stage production."
https://www.sltrib.com/artsliving/2019/01/08/here-are-top-whiz-bang/

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Re: Faking the moon landings
« Reply #394 on: January 09, 2019, 09:39:02 AM »
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Yeah, their subscription system barely works.  I can't imagine it comes close to GDPR compliance.   “吸牛 high-tech Alliance crap!”
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Re: Faking the moon landings
« Reply #395 on: January 09, 2019, 12:48:59 PM »
  “吸牛 high-tech Alliance crap!”

Firefly?

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Re: Faking the moon landings
« Reply #396 on: January 09, 2019, 01:57:50 PM »
Here's a link to our latest "two-bit live stage production."
https://www.sltrib.com/artsliving/2019/01/08/here-are-top-whiz-bang/

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Re: Faking the moon landings
« Reply #397 on: January 09, 2019, 03:40:17 PM »
  “吸牛 high-tech Alliance crap!”

Firefly?

Indeed. Jayne's opinion of an Alliance stun gun when it turns out it can't be used to shoot out the lock of a door in Ariel, I believe....
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Re: Faking the moon landings
« Reply #398 on: January 09, 2019, 05:46:38 PM »
Shiny!

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Re: Faking the moon landings
« Reply #399 on: January 09, 2019, 10:42:24 PM »
Here's a link to our latest "two-bit live stage production."
https://www.sltrib.com/artsliving/2019/01/08/here-are-top-whiz-bang/
Looks amazing, Jay.  I wish I could see it.  All I need are six numbers in synchronous harmony with the random retrieval of balls inked with reciprocal integers. *sigh*  At least my odds will be better than any portion of the Apollo missions being faked.
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