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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2018, 04:16:59 PM »
Nice shot of the pacific shown with a Hinawari 8 photo :)


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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 12:31:40 AM »
If anyone tries to tell you this was all faked... show them this.



Uninterrupted and unedited footage by a private citizen.... continuous from FH lift off to booster landing.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2018, 10:00:18 AM »
If anyone tries to tell you this was all faked... show them this.



Uninterrupted and unedited footage by a private citizen.... continuous from FH lift off to booster landing.

Doesn't stop multiple people in the comment thread from screaming "FAKE!".  One insists it has to be CGI, several insist that because it goes sideways it can't possibly be going to space, fake fake fake it's all fake sheeple wake up fake fake fake fake with emojis fake fake fake. 

Like I said in another thread, I'm convinced the vast majority of these people are just trolling for the lulz, but there are a few people who will insist that the sky is mauve in spite of all evidence to the contrary. 

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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2018, 07:36:07 PM »
Of course, it doesn't occur to them to use their mad CG skillzs to duplicate a moonwalk or space launch and PROVE that space travel can be faked.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2018, 07:46:15 PM »
Along with what Onebigmonkey has posted, I also decided to do my own research. This is copied from my original thread (yes, it is a FE forum): https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=8695.msg140643#msg140643

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There's easy ways we can prove this happened. The easiest is by comparing the video with cloud data.

I did it here!: https://imgur.com/a/iMZMQ




Compare the top image (frame from video) and bottom image (Australian Bureau of Meteorology cloud data).

The top image is at 3:40:25. The live stream started about 15-20 minutes after launch, so we can say this frame is about 4 hours after launch. The rocket launched at 15:45 ET on Tuesday, meaning this frame was from 19:45 ET on Tuesday. This frame from the video shows Australia, so we know the frame was taken at 10:45 AEST on Wednesday (time zones are crazy).

Now, the bottom image shows the clouds at 13:30 AEST on Wednesday, about 3 hours AFTER the time in the video. Compare the cloud covers. Compare the shape of the clouds. Can't see it? Allow me to show you: https://imgur.com/a/dML4O




How could SpaceX know what the cloud covers looked like in real time? You can even see them moving! Compare a frame from the beginning of the video (28:18) to the 3:40:25 one: https://imgur.com/a/Tv9hS




For the first image, you can see that Australia is MUCH closer to the terminator line than in the image 3 hours later. The clouds appear to have shifted slightly as well over the 3 hours. The top of the cloud band at the bottom of the first frame has moved between frames (in the latter image it moves with Australia), but if you look at the cloud's shape, it still changed. Compare any frame. Not only do they match up with the cloud cover data, but they match up with satellite imagery (fake tho, right? /s). It would be extraordinarily difficult to fake this in real time. All observation tools and data has some kind of delay, usually hourly, or quarter-hourly, and to predict where the clouds will be this precisely is impossible. The data shows it was live. The data matches with the video, showing the video to be real, or all the data and the video to be fake. The only other explanation I have is that Musk has a time machine and observed the cloud patterns before the launch.

Additionally, there were independent observers that saw the second stage fire up again to send the car into a heliocentric orbit. Check out this video from an observatory: https://twitter.com/te_pickering/status/961080240389832706

or this image: https://twitter.com/EricPeterson602/status/961066925521477632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ksby.com%2Fstory%2F37444542%2Fbright-light-seen-in-california-southwestern-night-sky

or this image: https://twitter.com/dougrfolk/status/961065341903253504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.12news.com%2Farticle%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fvalley%2Flight-seen-over-valley-skies-may-be-spacex-rocket%2F75-515504890

You can even see the moon in some shots! 30:30 - 31:57 as it enters from the bottom left corner, passes behind the car, and reappears and leaves in the bottom right corner. 1:07:19 - 1:07:32 in the bottom under the engine bell. 1:14:17 - 1:14:32 to the left of the engine bell. 1:21:25 - 1:21:35 in the top left. 2:55:16 - 2:55:59 appearing from the top moving right. 3:18:22 - 3:18:34 in the bottom left. 3:19:54 - 3:20:00 in the bottom right. 3:41:21 - 3:41:36 above the engine bell moving down. Real faint. 3:41:37 - 3:41:46 in the bottom left. 3:48:36 - 3:48:46 in the left. 3:55:21 - 3:55:35 in the bottom left of the bell. 3:55:36 - 3:55:46 in the top left of the bell, real faint.

Those are all the ones I found. I'm sure there are a few more though.

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I also found a video where an independent observer using a telescope spotted and tracked the car, calculating its orbit:
This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2018, 03:10:49 AM »
I'm probably just a big sook, but this flight has stirred emotions in me I hadn't felt since Apollo or the Curiosity landings.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2018, 04:14:58 AM »
I'm probably just a big sook, but this flight has stirred emotions in me I hadn't felt since Apollo or the Curiosity landings.

There has been quite a bit of feeling stirred on a number of facebook groups I'm on between Apollo enthusiasts and those enjoying more modern developments. Apparently there are people who believe it's strictly an either/or thing.

Frankly I think this attitude is dumb. As avid an enthusiast as I am about Apollo, I fail to see why this should stop me looking at a car leaving Earth orbit, or a pair of boosters landing back on the ground and going "Wow - that is ****ing amazing!".

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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2018, 06:08:03 AM »
I'm probably just a big sook, but this flight has stirred emotions in me I hadn't felt since Apollo or the Curiosity landings.

Nope you're not a sook. This is exciting stuff... I punched the air with delight as I watched those two boosters landing... that footage should have been set to the the theme of "Thunderbirds Are Go!"

As I have posted here before, rockets landing on a tail of flames this is right out of the pages of the 1960's sci-fi I read as a teenager.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2018, 12:50:39 PM »
I feel that thrill too.  I've ben trying to articulate it.  My first thought is what I posted up-thread:  "This is what the 21st century is supposed to look like."  I remember a time when the future was going to be so cool.

My second thought was a quote from Babylon 5:

"See, in the last few years, we've stumbled... And when you stumble a lot, you...you start looking at your feet. You know, we have to make people lift their eyes back to the horizon and see the line of ancestors behind us saying, "Make my life have meaning." And to our inheritors before us saying, "Create the world we will live in." We're not just...holding jobs and having dinner. We're in the process of building the future. That's what [it's] all about. Only by making people understand that can we hope to create a better world for ourselves, and our posterity.” -- J. M. Straczinski

Those words mean a lot to me, so it seems incongruous to attach them to something as sublimely silly as launching a car into space on a test flight... but I do.  It's more than just the technological achievement of the successful flight.  Maybe it's that the silliness brings the human element to the metal and fire.  Maybe it's the juxtaposition of something so familiar and ordinary as a car in such an exotic and awe-inspiring setting that re-kindles in me the hope - dream, really - that ordinary me can someday have my own adventure in the "final frontier".
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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2018, 01:58:47 PM »
The car was indeed a very silly thing to do, and Musk is not shy of throwing in cultural reference points in many of his ventures so I don't doubt he's seen Heavy Metal.

The main thing for me though is that people who have no real interest in space, knew nothing about the idea that you could land a booster rocket and use it again or any of the other fine achievements in orbit, were asking about this. People who otherwise couldn't care less went "Wow..".

Maybe this will be the catalyst for some young kid that will spark an interest that will lead to greater things, just like Apollo did.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2018, 11:40:50 PM »
The car was indeed a very silly thing to do...
I don't think it was all that silly a thing to do. Would people be going to SpaceX's LIVE channel to see video of a block of concrete (with "Dummy Payload" stencilled on the sides) to check on its progress? It got plenty of publicity, and as the old saying goes, "any publicity is good publicity". Sure, it got a few of the Musk haters all riled up, but hey, the Musk haters are a lost cause anyway; they will always hate no matter how much SpaceX succeeds, and we really only hear from them when they crawl out from under their flat stones to whinge about something.
 
Musk is not shy of throwing in cultural reference points in many of his ventures so I don't doubt he's seen Heavy Metal.
He sure isn't.

His drone ships (Just Read the Instructions, and Of Course I Still Love You) are named for ships in Iain Banks' sci-fi series The Culture

The words DON'T PANIC in large friendly letters on the GPS display are, of course, a direct reference to Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

And the car, well, that actually wasn't his idea, it actually came from his staff, but its a great reference to Soft Landing from the anthology movie Heavy Meta

Also worth mentioning is the fact that this launch also put into space a Cultural Arch containing a special 5D, laser optical quartz storage device on which Isaac Asimov's "Foundation" series was encoded.   

The main thing for me though is that people who have no real interest in space, knew nothing about the idea that you could land a booster rocket and use it again or any of the other fine achievements in orbit, were asking about this. People who otherwise couldn't care less went "Wow..".

Maybe this will be the catalyst for some young kid that will spark an interest that will lead to greater things, just like Apollo did.

100%. Its got people talking about space again...
Most of these people to whom you refer were probably unaware that SpaceX manage to safely land rocket cores in 5 of 8 attempts in 2016 and 14 of 14 attempts last year... making it look routine and easy... its neither.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2018, 03:14:12 AM »
The car was indeed a very silly thing to do...
I don't think it was all that silly a thing to do. Would people be going to SpaceX's LIVE channel to see video of a block of concrete (with "Dummy Payload" stencilled on the sides) to check on its progress? It got plenty of publicity, and as the old saying goes, "any publicity is good publicity". Sure, it got a few of the Musk haters all riled up, but hey, the Musk haters are a lost cause anyway; they will always hate no matter how much SpaceX succeeds, and we really only hear from them when they crawl out from under their flat stones to whinge about something.

I meant 'silly' as in crazy and wild, not 'stupid' - I totally get why he did it, and if you're going to stick a lump of crazy payload in then why not do some crazy stuff with it. Elon's just this guy, you know ;)
 
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Musk is not shy of throwing in cultural reference points in many of his ventures so I don't doubt he's seen Heavy Metal.
He sure isn't.

His drone ships (Just Read the Instructions, and Of Course I Still Love You) are named for ships in Iain Banks' sci-fi series The Culture

I had a feeling they were Banks inspired but wasn't sure they were actual ones - I got weary of his Culture novels after a while, they became overly self-referential for me. Big fan of his work generally though - I went to a reading of his, and my autographed copy of 'Song of Stone' was the one he read from.

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The words DON'T PANIC in large friendly letters on the GPS display are, of course, a direct reference to Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

I believe there's a towel in the glove box :)

I also love the fact that there is a little model of the roadster on the dash, complete with model starman in it. I'm just hoping that on the dashboard of that model...

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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2018, 05:03:50 AM »
I  believe there's a towel in the glove box :)

... and small packet of peanuts?  8)

I also love the fact that there is a little model of the roadster on the dash, complete with model starman in it. I'm just hoping that on the dashboard of that model...

Oooh. "wheels" within "wheels"! I like it.... a reference to Ezekiel's vision of a sky chariot, or an acknowledgement of the complexity of space flight?
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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2018, 09:51:02 AM »
A sook? As in an Arabic market? What has Arabic markets got to do with Falcon Heavy?

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Re: Falcon Heavy Test Flight
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2018, 02:45:48 PM »
A sook? As in an Arabic market? What has Arabic markets got to do with Falcon Heavy?

That's a souq.

"Sook" is Aussie, NZ, Canadian slang for someone who is is easily upset... ie. a "crybaby".

"Wimp" has a similar meaning in the US
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