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Re: Miracles vs. Science
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2018, 07:38:51 PM »
https://jamesbishopblog.com/2017/02/10/doctors-confirm-womans-miracle-healing-from-irreversible-blindness-after-attending-church/

If you have any comments on this please post.
Do they have the medical records that prove she was blind?
As far as I know, there is only the mere claim that God restored her eyesight.
The evidence, unfortunately, seems to be nonexistent.

I think this would become pretty widespread news and doctors, biologists, researchers, etc. would be testing her to find out what really happened. Especially since, if they did find out what caused this, it might be the cure for this “irreversible blindness”.

And why can this not be classified as chance?
After all, millions of people pray for something to happen or for something to be healed but it just never happens. So why now would God pick some random lady over the homeless, the sick, the dying, the lost, and the broken? Rationally, if it turns out she wasn’t lying about her blindness, then you can presume that it was up to chance.

There is nothing in the universe that is unexplainable with science. The Christian Apologetics site that this was posted on seems to disagree with medical science, and instead goes for a theological explanation. I don’t think an actual doctor is going to say “there is no medical explanation” as the article suggests happened.
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Re: Miracles vs. Science
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2018, 01:31:31 AM »
Watch on youtube "Dafne  Gutierrez healed through intercession St. Sharbel chruch" where the doctor following her say they can't explain.
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Re: Miracles vs. Science
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2018, 07:45:50 AM »
Watch on youtube "Dafne  Gutierrez healed through intercession St. Sharbel chruch" where the doctor following her say they can't explain.
I did, but there’s not much there.
Here’s some possible explanations:
1. She lied to the doctors about the symptoms and they just took her word for it. Intercranial Hypertension is diagnosed solely by symptoms (as far as I know) so there isn’t really any physical examination you can do.
2. Positive reaction to carbonic anhydrase inhibitors potentially caused by decrease in overall stress and proper dosing of medication
3. She didn’t lie to the doctors (technically) but she accidentally misinformed the doctors, or the doctors made a mistake and misdiagnosed her.

I don’t think there’s really enough investigation on this case, but it’s irrational for any medical professional to stop with the biological examinations and just pin this on magic.

Everything in the universe is explainable with science. Whether or not people can find that explanation.
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Re: Miracles vs. Science
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2018, 08:04:11 AM »
I need more information and scientists need to actually do some more testing.

I don’t accept magic as a plausible explanation for anything.
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Re: Miracles vs. Science
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2018, 03:47:54 PM »
Well, I wonder why it did not occur to the physicians who reviewed her medical records what you are saying. However, if anyone knows of books or materials that investigate thoroughly similar cases, especially those who have visions after which they are cured, I would be interested to read.
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Re: Miracles vs. Science
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2018, 07:30:53 PM »
Yes, I’m unsure why there aren’t more people investigating her claims.
I would guess that most of them don’t really care for it.
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