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Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« on: June 23, 2016, 01:33:24 PM »
This article is off-line so I'm going to post the whole thing.  Luckily, I'd copied it before it went off-line.

 http://www.buzzcreek.com/grade-a/MOON/articles1.htm

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Did NASA steal $30 Billion to Fake
The Apollo Moon Landings?
Home Paper Moon Page

ARTICLE IN MEDIA BYPASS MAGAZINE, SEPT. 1997
THE VAN ALLEN ENIGMA
By Phylis and James Collier

In the early 1950's, a 35-year-old State University of Iowa physics professor and some of his students were cruising the cold waters ofnorthern Canada and the Atlantic Ocean, sending a series ofrocket-carrying balloons- which they dubbed "rockoons" - 12 to 15 miles into space.

They were trying to measure the nature of low-energy cosmic raysswirling around the earth. The experiments continued for five more years. Then, in 1958,Professor James Van Allen discovered his monster. Suddenly, his instrumentation warned of a giant beast of a thing, spewing enough deadly radiation counts to kill any human who ventured into its domain unprotected.

Van Allen and his students weren't sure of the size, shape and texture of the monster, they just knew they had encountered an incredible phenomenon.

Then, in l958, as part of the International Geophysical Year (a year in which men like James A. Van Allen were praised for exploring the realms of time and space) the young professor asked the U.S. military to send his experiments deeper into space, this time using a Geiger Counter to measure the intensity of the radiation. He further requested the most sophisticated rockets that would penetrate l00,000 miles into space.

That's when the monster grew all encompassing. It appeared to surround the entire earth and extend out some 65,000 miles, maybe even 100,000 miles. The Geiger Counter confirmed that the region above the earth, and in the path of the rocket, was cooking with deadly radiation. That radiation was born from solar flares that would race through the universe and become trapped by the earth's magnetic field. A deadly mixture of protons and electrons.

It was then that Van Allen realized the Aurora Borealis, the northern lights, was actually a visual manifestation of that tremendous energy from the sun. You could actually see the radiation swirling in a magnificent and deadly dance. His eventual finding of two such lethal radiation belts, put his name in the history books as the man who discovered the Van Allen Radiation Belts. There was an inner belt and an outer belt. The inner belt went from 40 degrees north and south of the Equator and was basically a doughnut surrounding the earth. Scientific experiments conducted by Van Allen and the military proved that belt was so deadly that no human could survive in its orbit. The outer belt was equally as destructive, and separated from the inner belt by an area of lesser radiation.

Van Allen's conclusion was delivered in a speech to the Academy of Science in 1959. He warned future space travelers they would have to race through these two zones on their way to outer planets.

"All manned space flight attempts must steer clear of these two belts of radiation until adequate means of safeguarding the astronauts has been developed" he said. Moreover, Van Allen advised they would have to be shielded with some extra layers of protection beyond that of the spacecraft itself. These findings were also published in Scientific American Magazine, March, 1959.

Two years later, Van Allen updated his report in Space World Magazine, December, 1961. In brief, he reported that everything he had found in 1959 was still valid. It was also in that year that President John F. Kennedy told an assembled group of students and dignitaries at Rice University in Houston, that it was America's destiny to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. With that statement, the space race become a political game, worth 30 billion in taxpayer dollars to the winners. National Aeronautic and Space Administration (NASA), which is part of the Department of Defense and the CIA, became the caretaker of Kennedy's dream.

It was their job to build a spacecraft that would meet Van Allen's scientific requirements of safety through the radiation belts. Van Allen stated that the ship's skin, made of aluminum, would not be enough protection for the astronauts. Extra shielding of lead or another substance that would absorb the radiation would be needed. That, of course, posed the problem of weight. More weight created a booster problem. In other words, they would need a bigger rocket to carry a ship that was properly lined against radiation penetration. One of the most interesting of Van Allen's findings was that once protons and electrons hit the aluminum skin of the spacecraft, they would turn into x-rays. The kind the average dentist protects patients against with two inch lead vests. Those rays would naturally penetrate the astronaut's bodies and create anything from nausea and vomiting to eventual death, depending on the length of the exposure.

All of this scientific data presented a big problem for NASA. How could they build a spacecraft that would meet radiation standards and yet get off the ground?

The National Committee on Radiation Protection (NCRP) and the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) had established low "permissible doses" of radiation at levels that were consistent with living on earth. However, where the critical dosage on earth might be 5 rems of radiation in a year, the astronauts would receive that amount within minutes passing through the lower zone of the radiation belt.

In order to penetrate Van Allen's belt, in l965 NASA requested the two regulatory groups modify the existing standards for space flight. It was simply a matter of "risk over gain" and NASA convinced them to change the standards and allow them to take the risk. Whether or not future astronauts would be advised of these dramatically lowered standards and substantial risk is unknown at this time.

The next problem NASA faced was the shielding of the spacecraft. It was solved in a report NASA issued in Aerospace Medicine Magazine in 1965 and 1969. The report was written prior to the first Apollo mission to the moon.

NASA announced that a simple aluminum skin on the command module was enough to protect astronauts from lethal doses of radiation. This conclusion was based on studies NASA had conducted. Now NASA had ingeniously solved their two basic problems, protection and weight. They had eliminated the danger of radiation penetration, along with the problem of radiation shielding and spacecraft weight. We telephoned North American Rockwell, the builder of the Command Module which carried the astronauts to the moon and back. They verified that the craft was not protected by any additional shielding.

It was at this point in our research that we realized the Van Allen Report had been seriously compromised by NASA. Professor Van Allen had become an icon in the scientific community for warning of radiation dangers. One of his most important tenets was that even if you raced quickly through the 65,000 mile belt, which starts 400 miles above the earth's surface (thus allowing for inner space travel) you would still need considerable additional shielding. Were his findings now bogus? We had to speak to Van Allen.

Professor James A. Van Allen now 83, is Professor Emeritus in Geophysics at the University of Iowa. Our first question was why he did not speak up after NASA's claims and defend his original findings. Astonishingly, he told us that his seminal Scientific American article
in 1959 was merely "popular science."

"Are you refuting your findings?" we asked.

"Absolutely not," he answered, "I stand by them." In the next breath, Van Allen again acquiesced to NASA's point of view. He became positively mercurial in his answers. Basically he defended NASA's position that any material, even aluminum without shielding, was adequate to protect the astronauts from the radiation he once called deadly. When we asked him the point of his original warning about rushing through the Belt, he said, "It must have been a sloppy statement." So there we were, down the rabbit hole, chasing Van Allen through halls of mirrors. Was he taking the line of least resistance to government pressure? Was he trashing his own report in order not to be labeled a whistle blower? Could this renowned scientist actually be capable of a "sloppy statement" and blatant hyperbole published in a scientific journal?

If you don't believe we went to the moon, then you will say that NASA created the perfect cover story. It allowed them to continue receiving funding for a spacecraft they could not build, to enter a region of space they could not penetrate. If you believe we went to the moon, then you have to disregard Van Allen's years of research and published findings. You would also have to believe that aluminum, and not lead, is adequate protection against radiation in the very heart of the Belt. . .exactly the spot where Apollo rocket ships entered from Cape Canaveral in Florida.

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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2016, 01:37:45 PM »
Here's some more stuff I've found on space radiation.

http://apollotruth.atspace.co.uk/
(excerpt)
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There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.
Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
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two sets of radiation data
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html
(excerpt)
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To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]
Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
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http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm
http://hugequestions.com/Eric/MoreInfoForScienceChallenge.html
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9659&hl=apollo












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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2016, 01:43:55 PM »
This article is off-line so I'm going to post the whole thing.  Luckily, I'd copied it before it went off-line.

 http://www.buzzcreek.com/grade-a/MOON/articles1.htm

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Did NASA steal $30 Billion to Fake
The Apollo Moon Landings?
Home Paper Moon Page

ARTICLE IN MEDIA BYPASS MAGAZINE, SEPT. 1997
THE VAN ALLEN ENIGMA
By Phylis and James Collier

In the early 1950's, a 35-year-old State University of Iowa physics professor and some of his students were cruising the cold waters ofnorthern Canada and the Atlantic Ocean, sending a series ofrocket-carrying balloons- which they dubbed "rockoons" - 12 to 15 miles into space.

They were trying to measure the nature of low-energy cosmic raysswirling around the earth. The experiments continued for five more years. Then, in 1958,Professor James Van Allen discovered his monster. Suddenly, his instrumentation warned of a giant beast of a thing, spewing enough deadly radiation counts to kill any human who ventured into its domain unprotected.

Van Allen and his students weren't sure of the size, shape and texture of the monster, they just knew they had encountered an incredible phenomenon.

Then, in l958, as part of the International Geophysical Year (a year in which men like James A. Van Allen were praised for exploring the realms of time and space) the young professor asked the U.S. military to send his experiments deeper into space, this time using a Geiger Counter to measure the intensity of the radiation. He further requested the most sophisticated rockets that would penetrate l00,000 miles into space.

That's when the monster grew all encompassing. It appeared to surround the entire earth and extend out some 65,000 miles, maybe even 100,000 miles. The Geiger Counter confirmed that the region above the earth, and in the path of the rocket, was cooking with deadly radiation. That radiation was born from solar flares that would race through the universe and become trapped by the earth's magnetic field. A deadly mixture of protons and electrons.

It was then that Van Allen realized the Aurora Borealis, the northern lights, was actually a visual manifestation of that tremendous energy from the sun. You could actually see the radiation swirling in a magnificent and deadly dance. His eventual finding of two such lethal radiation belts, put his name in the history books as the man who discovered the Van Allen Radiation Belts. There was an inner belt and an outer belt. The inner belt went from 40 degrees north and south of the Equator and was basically a doughnut surrounding the earth. Scientific experiments conducted by Van Allen and the military proved that belt was so deadly that no human could survive in its orbit. The outer belt was equally as destructive, and separated from the inner belt by an area of lesser radiation.

Van Allen's conclusion was delivered in a speech to the Academy of Science in 1959. He warned future space travelers they would have to race through these two zones on their way to outer planets.

"All manned space flight attempts must steer clear of these two belts of radiation until adequate means of safeguarding the astronauts has been developed" he said. Moreover, Van Allen advised they would have to be shielded with some extra layers of protection beyond that of the spacecraft itself. These findings were also published in Scientific American Magazine, March, 1959.

Two years later, Van Allen updated his report in Space World Magazine, December, 1961. In brief, he reported that everything he had found in 1959 was still valid. It was also in that year that President John F. Kennedy told an assembled group of students and dignitaries at Rice University in Houston, that it was America's destiny to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. With that statement, the space race become a political game, worth 30 billion in taxpayer dollars to the winners. National Aeronautic and Space Administration (NASA), which is part of the Department of Defense and the CIA, became the caretaker of Kennedy's dream.

It was their job to build a spacecraft that would meet Van Allen's scientific requirements of safety through the radiation belts. Van Allen stated that the ship's skin, made of aluminum, would not be enough protection for the astronauts. Extra shielding of lead or another substance that would absorb the radiation would be needed. That, of course, posed the problem of weight. More weight created a booster problem. In other words, they would need a bigger rocket to carry a ship that was properly lined against radiation penetration. One of the most interesting of Van Allen's findings was that once protons and electrons hit the aluminum skin of the spacecraft, they would turn into x-rays. The kind the average dentist protects patients against with two inch lead vests. Those rays would naturally penetrate the astronaut's bodies and create anything from nausea and vomiting to eventual death, depending on the length of the exposure.

All of this scientific data presented a big problem for NASA. How could they build a spacecraft that would meet radiation standards and yet get off the ground?

The National Committee on Radiation Protection (NCRP) and the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) had established low "permissible doses" of radiation at levels that were consistent with living on earth. However, where the critical dosage on earth might be 5 rems of radiation in a year, the astronauts would receive that amount within minutes passing through the lower zone of the radiation belt.

In order to penetrate Van Allen's belt, in l965 NASA requested the two regulatory groups modify the existing standards for space flight. It was simply a matter of "risk over gain" and NASA convinced them to change the standards and allow them to take the risk. Whether or not future astronauts would be advised of these dramatically lowered standards and substantial risk is unknown at this time.

The next problem NASA faced was the shielding of the spacecraft. It was solved in a report NASA issued in Aerospace Medicine Magazine in 1965 and 1969. The report was written prior to the first Apollo mission to the moon.

NASA announced that a simple aluminum skin on the command module was enough to protect astronauts from lethal doses of radiation. This conclusion was based on studies NASA had conducted. Now NASA had ingeniously solved their two basic problems, protection and weight. They had eliminated the danger of radiation penetration, along with the problem of radiation shielding and spacecraft weight. We telephoned North American Rockwell, the builder of the Command Module which carried the astronauts to the moon and back. They verified that the craft was not protected by any additional shielding.

It was at this point in our research that we realized the Van Allen Report had been seriously compromised by NASA. Professor Van Allen had become an icon in the scientific community for warning of radiation dangers. One of his most important tenets was that even if you raced quickly through the 65,000 mile belt, which starts 400 miles above the earth's surface (thus allowing for inner space travel) you would still need considerable additional shielding. Were his findings now bogus? We had to speak to Van Allen.

Professor James A. Van Allen now 83, is Professor Emeritus in Geophysics at the University of Iowa. Our first question was why he did not speak up after NASA's claims and defend his original findings. Astonishingly, he told us that his seminal Scientific American article
in 1959 was merely "popular science."

"Are you refuting your findings?" we asked.

"Absolutely not," he answered, "I stand by them." In the next breath, Van Allen again acquiesced to NASA's point of view. He became positively mercurial in his answers. Basically he defended NASA's position that any material, even aluminum without shielding, was adequate to protect the astronauts from the radiation he once called deadly. When we asked him the point of his original warning about rushing through the Belt, he said, "It must have been a sloppy statement." So there we were, down the rabbit hole, chasing Van Allen through halls of mirrors. Was he taking the line of least resistance to government pressure? Was he trashing his own report in order not to be labeled a whistle blower? Could this renowned scientist actually be capable of a "sloppy statement" and blatant hyperbole published in a scientific journal?

If you don't believe we went to the moon, then you will say that NASA created the perfect cover story. It allowed them to continue receiving funding for a spacecraft they could not build, to enter a region of space they could not penetrate. If you believe we went to the moon, then you have to disregard Van Allen's years of research and published findings. You would also have to believe that aluminum, and not lead, is adequate protection against radiation in the very heart of the Belt. . .exactly the spot where Apollo rocket ships entered from Cape Canaveral in Florida.
To quote a number of pages that debunk your allegations:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=van-allen-letter.gif
http://cosmoquest.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-3885.html
http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/Space_Math_III.pdf
Calculate  the amount of radiation crews received during trips through the lesser dense regions of the VARB.
Your research is poorly lacking in depth.
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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2016, 01:44:53 PM »
Here's some more stuff I've found on space radiation.

A complicated subject.  What are your academic and/or professional qualifications to speak intelligently on the subject?  What were Collier's?
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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2016, 01:52:16 PM »
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  A complicated subject.  What are your academic and/or professional qualifications to speak intelligently on the subject?  What were Collier's? 

I don't have any but that's no reason for me not to post it so other people can talk about it.  I want to see what other people say.  Hopefully, a hoax-believer with qualifications will see it and register and comment on it.

Also, we have to remember that the best sophists have qualifications and they use their knowledge to obfuscate. 
http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/09/26/disinformation-campaign-exposure-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/

I'm mainly going to watch this one.  I'll add something if I think I can.  A lot of it may just require common sense.

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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2016, 01:53:37 PM »
...
two sets of radiation data
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html
(excerpt)
...
Your link goes nowhere, perhaps you may enlighten us on where your supposed information resides?
I have emailed with [email protected] concerning the aforementioned solar flare data and it is on this site
ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/STP/space-weather/solar-data/solar-features/solar-flares/
There are no duplications as Mr Rene suggests.
You do need to do a better job of research, before making such outrages posts.
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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2016, 01:54:57 PM »

two sets of radiation data
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html
(excerpt)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]
Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is hilarious every time you post it.  the far more likely scenario is that they gave him the right data and he ASSUMED it was wrong because it didn't fit the worldview he concocted for himself.  There is no evidence otherwise.  You've been told this before yet you still copy/past this whole thing everywhere you go.  It is stuff like this that makes many people think that you're just a bot. 

Are you a real person?
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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2016, 01:57:34 PM »


Also, we have to remember that the best sophists have qualifications and they use their knowledge to obfuscate. 
http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
It has been pointed out to you before that YOU fit many of these supposed 25 ways yourself.  What do you have to say to that?  How do you KNOW they describe a disinformationist and not just any random person on the internet?

http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/09/26/disinformation-campaign-exposure-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/
How do you KNOW this person and their story are real?  What have you done to verify any of it?

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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2016, 01:59:12 PM »
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the far more likely scenario is that they gave him the right data and he ASSUMED it was wrong because it didn't fit the worldview he concocted for himself.  There is no evidence otherwise.     
I'm not posting as proof.  It's just something to think about.  The proof is in the anomalies such as the flag's moving without having been touched in a way that's perfectly consistent with movement in atmosphere.
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=993.0

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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2016, 01:59:30 PM »
...
two sets of radiation data
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html
(excerpt)
...
Your link goes nowhere,

That is because it is the same long copy/pasta that he spams on every forum he goes to and has done so for years.  That's why I think he's just a bot.  A real poster would have checked the links years ago when it died.
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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2016, 02:00:11 PM »
...
two sets of radiation data
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html
(excerpt)
...
Your link goes nowhere,

That is because it is the same long copy/pasta that he spams on every forum he goes to and has done so for years.  That's why I think he's just a bot.  A real poster would have checked the links years ago when it died.
Good point.
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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2016, 02:00:27 PM »
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the far more likely scenario is that they gave him the right data and he ASSUMED it was wrong because it didn't fit the worldview he concocted for himself.  There is no evidence otherwise.     
I'm not posting as proof.  It's just something to think about.  The proof is in the anomalies such as the flag's moving without having been touched in a way that's perfectly consistent with movement in atmosphere.
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=993.0
Just something to think about?  It makes me think Rene put as much though into it as you did, None.


and predictably you ignored this

"You've been told this before yet you still copy/past this whole thing everywhere you go.  It is stuff like this that makes many people think that you're just a bot. 

Are you a real person?"
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 -Never let facts stand in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2016, 02:01:18 PM »
I don't have any...

Then how do you know you're fairly representing your sources and that they're fairly representing the science?

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but that's no reason for me not to post it so other people can talk about it.

It's a very good reason.  People who say there's something wrong with complex scientific evidence and purport to explain that in farfetched terms of someone else's malfeasance have the duty to show they know what they're talking about.  if they cannot, then the first and best explanation is that the evidence was interpreted wrong.

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Hopefully, a hoax-believer with qualifications will see it and register and comment on it.

Name someone who has the appropriate qualifications and who believes Apollo is a hoax.

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Also, we have to remember that the best sophists have qualifications and they use their knowledge to obfuscate. 
http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/09/26/disinformation-campaign-exposure-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/

It's a little early to be accusing your critics of being paid disinformationists.

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I'm mainly going to watch this one.  I'll add something if I think I can.

You're not qualified to contribute to a discussion of space radiation.  As the radiation issue is not an issue except among ignorant conspiracy theorists, the matter is essentially closed unless you're willing to participate and defend your sources.

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A lot of it may just require common sense.

Or a lot of it could require appropriate knowledge of the applicable sciences, which you don't have.
"Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams

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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2016, 02:03:21 PM »
Also, we have to remember that the best sophists have qualifications and they use their knowledge to obfuscate. 
http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/09/26/disinformation-campaign-exposure-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/

It's a little early to be accusing your critics of being paid disinformationists.
He's just continuing the accusation from the last time he was here and banned.
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Re: Van Allen on Space Radiation.
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2016, 02:06:19 PM »
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How do you KNOW this person and their story are real?  What have you done to verify any of it?   
I'm not sure but I want the viewers to know the possibility is there.

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  It has been pointed out to you before that YOU fit many of these supposed 25 ways yourself.  What do you have to say to that?   
Go into some detail and we can talk about it.

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    How do you KNOW they describe a disinformationist and not just any random person on the internet? 
Intuition and common sense.  I see tactics that only a sophist would use such as trying to bury the part of a debate in which he's checkmanted to reduce the number of viewers who see it instead of simply modifying his or her position.