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General Discussion / Re: No time for a democracy sausage
« Last post by smartcooky on Today at 05:11:50 AM »
I find it disturbing that 10% of Queenslanders voted for that racist cow Pauline Hanson...

On the other side or the coin, it good to see that Fraser Anning has been egged out
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General Discussion / Re: Chang'e 4
« Last post by raven on Today at 04:15:38 AM »
Ok on the big impact, but another question came to me yesterday, didn't the guys find an olivine rock during A15? The so called genesis rock?
According to this report at least, the Genesis Rock only contained trace amounts of olivine, if that, at least  from my reading.
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Without doing any research, are the two DSKY's in the CSM and LM identical?

Surely one difference is that the LM had yellow ALT and VEL lights.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/LM6-co28.jpg

They indicated that the altitude and velocity data-good signal from the landing radar was absent during the Landing Radar Data Read Routine. [LM6 (Intrepid) and LM10 (Falcon) handbook - page 3-77]. In addition, the ALT light flashes if the data-good signal is received but the data does not pass the LGC Reasonableness Test.

BTW the TRACKER indicator is energized (their word) if LR altitude data-not-good discrete or LR velocity data-not-good discrete occurs during the LGC data read sequence. [same page]. That seems to be the same - but a less specific indicator. The TRACKER indicator is also used for the rendezvous radar.

Re: LGC Reasonableness Test. The crew had to manually decide to incorporate the radar values (Verb 57 - Permit Landing Radar Updates). Presumably the Reasonableness Test was an automatic data check to avoid bad radar data infecting the tracking even if you're permitting updates. I guess there'll be something about that in the LGC sources.

Also, the Apollo Operations Handbook LM 10 (and subsequent) Volume 1 indicates two more decals (PRIO DISP and NO DAP) in the other two empty DKSY indicator slots but I can't see where they were documented in the handbook.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/dsky_lm.jpg
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General Discussion / Re: No time for a democracy sausage
« Last post by Obviousman on May 18, 2019, 05:58:35 PM »
Looks like Shorten lost the unlosable election. In my own electorate, we dumped the 'parachute candidate' from the Liberals (who came in to replace Ann Sudmalis, who knew she did a terrible job and she was going to lose regardless) and elected a Labor candidate.  It has been a safe Liberal seat since 1984.
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General Discussion / Re: Notre Dame Cathedral fire
« Last post by apollo16uvc on May 18, 2019, 04:59:23 PM »
The roof is going to be a monstrosity.
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Without doing any research, are the two DSKY's in the CSM and LM identical?

Ya know, for a hot minute I thought the LM DSKY had a slightly different form factor.  Now that I'm comparing all the pictures I can find, I don't think that's the case.  I think all the DSKYs were the same design.  The one my old boss had was a CM DSKY to be sure, because it was one that eventually got pulled from the Apollo 14 CM and replaced with a better one.  He got it because he was one of the engineers who worked on the docking probe, and was called into troubleshoot Apollo 14's docking issues.

The cats out of the bag so to speak, now I know why you knew so much about the docking issue.  ;D
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Without doing any research, are the two DSKY's in the CSM and LM identical?

Ya know, for a hot minute I thought the LM DSKY had a slightly different form factor.  Now that I'm comparing all the pictures I can find, I don't think that's the case.  I think all the DSKYs were the same design.  The one my old boss had was a CM DSKY to be sure, because it was one that eventually got pulled from the Apollo 14 CM and replaced with a better one.  He got it because he was one of the engineers who worked on the docking probe, and was called into troubleshoot Apollo 14's docking issues.
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General Discussion / Re: Notre Dame Cathedral fire
« Last post by Peter B on May 18, 2019, 03:45:31 AM »
And here's an article discussing exactly these issues - architects coming up with (noticeably similar to me) designs for the "restoration" of Notre Dame, the appropriateness of strongly interventionist restoration, how restoration could/should be performed, and who gets to decide: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-18/notre-dame-spire-design-competition-for-the-ages/11110218
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General Discussion / Re: Notre Dame Cathedral fire
« Last post by Peter B on May 18, 2019, 03:26:55 AM »
The cherished image of the roof and spire was really from the 19th century.  It's therefore legitimate to ask what is so sacred about that particular epoch of the cathedral's appearance, that it should be the restoration target.  And one answer could be that it's the form that has been cherished for 150 years.  If the goal of restoration is to recover and sustain that feeling, then stick with what is known to work.  Gambling that the world will form the same degree of appreciation for a modern statement or a green statement or any sort of "statement" is a terrible waste.  Don't make a statement.  Respect the existing aesthetic, because that's what people came to love.

Yep. The outcry from the public was because something we love has been destroyed. That immediately suggests that what most people wanted is for it to be restored to what it was pre-fire. I don't think I've heard anyone express gratefulness for the fire because now we can turn Notre Dame into something...different...better...
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General Discussion / Re: No time for a democracy sausage
« Last post by Peter B on May 18, 2019, 03:04:32 AM »
Maybe there will leftover sausages when you get there.  8)

No, they were all packed up and gone by the time we were there. At least on the positive side we didn't have to queue to vote.

Anyway, as regards the sausage itself, and how it became entwined with Australian politics, here's an interesting little article: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/history-of-the-democracy-sausage-sizzle-politics-election/11097396
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