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Title: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gtvc on February 24, 2012, 09:51:39 PM
Well this is it, the last year.....of the Maya calendar. By the way today we had an earthquake in Colombia but everybody is OK, the weather is very warm in my city which most of the time its cold and we saw 2 circular  halos around the sun with rainbows at the beginning of this month which its a phenomena that never happened before in Bogota and I see Latin countries around the world are watching this phenomena in different dates since 2009, so maybe the Mayas are right about changes or maybe the weather is a mess around the world, what do you think? :o
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: LunarOrbit on February 24, 2012, 10:18:21 PM
I don't believe anyone can predict the exact date of the end of the world, so I don't think I'm going to waste any time worrying about the end of this year.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gillianren on February 24, 2012, 10:33:53 PM
And, for the umpteenth time, the Maya didn't predict the end or the world, or any more changes than normally happen.  This is pretty much exactly the same as all those people who jumped on the 2000 bandwagon--the calendar rolled over from 1999 to 2000 mostly without incident, albeit thanks to the help of a lot of computer tech types who made sure that what could go wrong with computers didn't.  And heck, 2012 doesn't even have that problem!
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: DataCable on February 25, 2012, 08:03:01 AM
2038 might (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem), though.  :o
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: LunarOrbit on February 25, 2012, 08:58:06 AM
2038 might (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem), though.  :o

Ok, those kind of predictions are a bit scary, I'll give you that.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gillianren on February 25, 2012, 01:47:54 PM
A little bit, yes.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: DataCable on February 25, 2012, 02:19:55 PM
A little bit, yes.
I see what you did there.

[ETA:
Ok, those kind of predictions are a bit scary, I'll give you that.
What you both did.]
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Kiwi on February 26, 2012, 04:47:27 AM
...we saw 2 circular  halos around the sun with rainbows at the beginning of this month...

These are common in my area, 40 degrees south, whenever the upper air is particularly cold, such as when there are ice crystals and cirrus clouds, or passenger jets are making contrails.  The rainbow colours often occur at 22 degrees from the sun (the same as the halo) and sometimes there's another halo at 46 degrees.  The rainbow colours can also occur less than five degrees from the sun in small, whispy, lower clouds -- I'm not sure which, but possibly stratocumulus.

You can also see the halo effect around the moon at night.  These effects are nothing to worry about -- just two of many perfectly ordinary meteorological effects.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Not Myself on February 26, 2012, 01:51:53 PM
the calendar rolled over from 1999 to 2000 mostly without incident, albeit thanks to the help of a lot of computer tech types who made sure that what could go wrong with computers didn't.

A lot of people did Y2K compliance work, and the rollover was with only minor incidents.  It is frequently claimed that the first was the cause of the second.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gillianren on February 26, 2012, 03:58:00 PM
Yes, that's what I'm saying. 
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Not Myself on February 27, 2012, 07:43:34 AM
Ah good, I understood the claim correctly then.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on February 27, 2012, 03:22:58 PM
To be fair, the Maya, like many mesoamerican cultures, did consider that major "roll-overs" in the calendar were likely to be times of chaotic change. However, the world did not end on the 12th or 13th baktun, so I'm not sure why it would end on the 14th.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Tedward on February 28, 2012, 04:19:07 AM
Well this is it, the last year.....of the Maya calendar. By the way today we had an earthquake in Colombia but everybody is OK, the weather is very warm in my city which most of the time its cold and we saw 2 circular  halos around the sun with rainbows at the beginning of this month which its a phenomena that never happened before in Bogota and I see Latin countries around the world are watching this phenomena in different dates since 2009, so maybe the Mayas are right about changes or maybe the weather is a mess around the world, what do you think? :o

I have to ask, how do you know this has not been seen before?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: ChrLz on February 28, 2012, 07:13:41 AM
I give you..
A solar halo at Bogota (surely that is close enough..) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlosauro/6825802609/in/[email protected]/)
or
A sundog at nearby Caldas.. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alejoberrio/1763805617/)

Sure, sundogs are not all that common (I've only seen 4 and I'm a bit of a skygazer), but I too think, Gtvc, you need to back up that comment about them never being seen in Bogota..  And then try to somehow link them to an impending doomsday fantasy..?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on February 28, 2012, 09:31:42 AM
Well this is it, the last year.....of the Maya calendar. By the way today we had an earthquake in Colombia but everybody is OK, the weather is very warm in my city which most of the time its cold and we saw 2 circular  halos around the sun with rainbows at the beginning of this month which its a phenomena that never happened before in Bogota and I see Latin countries around the world are watching this phenomena in different dates since 2009, so maybe the Mayas are right about changes or maybe the weather is a mess around the world, what do you think? :o

gtvc, why do you think the Maya are privy to some sort of information that no other culture was? What about the European Christians who believe that the world would end in 1000 and 1500, and westerners of various beliefs who fastened on 2000 as an "end time"? They were clearly wrong and off-base, do you not agree? Why would the Maya be any more reliable?

Yes, the weather is "messed up", a bit this year - but then, find me a year when the weather has *not* been messed up. I think an awful lot of people  assume that prior to their own existence, life ticked by for people with nothing exciting ever happening. Except for minor stuff that wouldn't count to the Maya - you know, like Krakatoa exploding, the New Madrid quake, the San Francisco quake and fire, and the "little ice age" of medieval times. A well-known weather phenomenon appearing one day in Bogata makes those things look like small potatoes, I suppose.

Remember, for your theory to make sense, you would have to presume that the Mayas were able to accurately predict that something would happen in our year 2012, and backdated their whole calendrical system to match that date. Either that, or you have to believe unabashedly in numerology - "Oooh, it's a round number! That must be significant!"
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Laurel on February 28, 2012, 10:23:48 AM
Either that, or you have to believe unabashedly in numerology - "Oooh, it's a round number! That must be significant!"
Sounds like Dogbert's logic regarding Y2K. :)
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1994-03-24/ (http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1994-03-24/)
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gillianren on February 28, 2012, 02:47:35 PM
Hey, the Y2K thing made sense from a Christian perspective if you didn't know the calendar is off from the date it's supposed to be recording!  Maybe God likes round numbers.  Except then you have to explain away the bit in the Bible about how no one knows the time He will end the world, but whatever; it seems a lot of people are perfectly willing to ignore that bit.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gtvc on February 28, 2012, 05:24:42 PM
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A well-known weather phenomenon appearing one day in Bogata makes those things look like small potatoes, I suppose.
its Bogota :D, well is media paranoia you find information in the Internet in the news, radio, TV morning shows, newspapers, even NASA talks about the high sun activity, so everybody talks about 2012 but not about 2013.

 Well I don't remember watching a solar double halo, 2 rainbows around the sun in my city before you can check the videos in you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aYU4P672u8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aYU4P672u8)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52DWbc-OAgM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52DWbc-OAgM&feature=related)never happened before.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: cjameshuff on February 28, 2012, 06:08:18 PM
Well I don't remember watching a solar double halo, 2 rainbows around the sun in my city before you can check the videos in you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aYU4P672u8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aYU4P672u8)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52DWbc-OAgM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52DWbc-OAgM&feature=related)never happened before.

There's people who'll swear the moon can't be seen during the day. People generally just ignore the sky most of the time. So you've never personally seen those halos (that you noticed)...how can you conclude they've never happened before? How many times could it have happened without you noticing?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Laurel on February 28, 2012, 07:02:01 PM
Gtvc, did you mean that double solar halos have never happened before in Colombia or that they've never happened before anywhere? Because these images appear to predate the YouTube video.

http://www.komonews.com/weather/blogs/scott/93912239.html (http://www.komonews.com/weather/blogs/scott/93912239.html)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3245596565/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3245596565/)
http://latitudedrifts.blogspot.com/2011/02/sundogs-tangent-arcs-and-double-solar.html (http://latitudedrifts.blogspot.com/2011/02/sundogs-tangent-arcs-and-double-solar.html)
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gtvc on February 28, 2012, 08:22:13 PM
I mean never happened in Bogotá, at least I don't remember watching a double halo here before, but I think when I was in Florida I remember a halo around the moon, but this was incredible so you can imagine people talking about signs and messages from the sky, I know is a natural phenomenon but I think its more common in other countries not here maybe global warming? :P
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gillianren on February 28, 2012, 09:25:04 PM
Halos around the Moon happen all the time here.  When people talk about never having seen something before, the first assumption you should make is that what they mean is that they haven't noticed it.  People just don't look up, as said.  Ask a dozen people when they last saw the Moon during the day, and you'll probably have at least one claim it can't be done.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on February 28, 2012, 11:48:40 PM
You know, there is a difference between "I never saw that before" and "it never happened before".
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gtvc on February 29, 2012, 02:30:56 PM
I know, people forget this kind of natural phenomena very fast, and TV news is not going to talk about this halo next year  :P
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on March 01, 2012, 01:53:53 PM
Even rather catastrophic climactic events get forgotten quite quickly. How often do we talk about "the year without a summer" (1816), when ice was still seen in rivers in Pennsylvania in August? Or the slightly less severe summer of 1903?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Laurel on March 01, 2012, 09:42:54 PM
A university professor talked about the year without a summer during my Atmosphere and Climate class. It's also a plot point in a book I read as a child called Shadow In Hawthorne Bay. And it was indirectly responsible for Frankenstein being written, which is interesting. But you're right, it doesn't come up in conversation very often. :)
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: ipearse on March 30, 2012, 02:28:45 PM
the calendar rolled over from 1999 to 2000 mostly without incident, albeit thanks to the help of a lot of computer tech types who made sure that what could go wrong with computers didn't.

A lot of people did Y2K compliance work, and the rollover was with only minor incidents.  It is frequently claimed that the first was the cause of the second.

I spent the rollover night walking up and down Terminal 4 at Heathrow checking various systems had done what they were supposed to. it really annoys me when people go on about how the rollover was a storm in a teacup...
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Not Myself on May 12, 2012, 11:10:39 AM
Let me make things just a little bit more formal.  We have some statements.

A: A lot of people did Y2K compliance work.
B: The rollover was with only minor incidents.
C: A was the cause of B.

I spent the rollover night walking up and down Terminal 4 at Heathrow checking various systems had done what they were supposed to.

That sounds like a little bit of anecdotal evidence in support of statement A.

it really annoys me when people go on about how the rollover was a storm in a teacup...

I'll mark down a new statement.

D: Some find the statement "not C" really annoying.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gillianren on May 12, 2012, 12:41:08 PM
That pretty much sums it up, yes.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: ChrLz on May 17, 2012, 08:01:15 AM
I can offer another couple of little anecdotes for y2k..

I was computer systems manager at an adult education college way back thenabouts (a big one with multiple remote networked campuses) and we had several old systems (eg enrolments and room bookings) that needed to be tweaked to properly handle the rollover.  Nothing too bad would have happened, but they needed fixin'..

I am slightly embarrassed to also admit that I used to do systems analysis and programming .. in dBASE II, III and IV (and dBXL, Clipper, Arago... oh the memories!!)..  :-[  and had several custom systems out in the real world that needed to have adjustments to various fields and calculations.  Again, nothing major, but it had to be done.  And I can proudly report no aircraft under any of my system's control ever fell from the sky, thanks to my diligence.. :D

(Ironically, I did write a system for a crop-dusting company's operations..!)
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: SolusLupus on June 07, 2012, 11:51:25 AM
As XKCD put it, the 2012 mythos is about all that draws people into learning about Mesoamerican culture.  Past 2012, it'll be a surprise if people even talk about these ancient peoples again, much less try to understand them in the slightest.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 15, 2012, 04:04:09 PM
We can make many misstakes attempting to understand ancient texts and sign posts, the most erroneous is to assume we know more then ancient peoples, another is to believe we understand what they were attempting to communicate.

In Gary Zukav's book "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" he presents compelling evidence showing that physics has just begun to cognize the Universe in depths that can be found in ancient vedic texts. If you understand the impact of this, you realize that mystics understood Existence or Being long before the invention of science.

The second part of this is, that to understand Vedic or mystical texts it is imperative to know that these texts cannot be understood through thinking. They are not presenting constructs, they are intuitive cognitions, projected through mystical experience from within the field of absolute being. To KNOW, one must experience the same. Without the experience, one can only guess at what the experience is, there is no knowing.

So with that said.
It is comforting to assume that 'time' is constant. Yet time is merely a concept of measurement. An interval, a unit depicting the movement or change of form or matter. Passage or flow of thoughts reinforces the illusion that time is real.

I cannot attempt to explain the Mayan calendar, I can offer an interesting view that may lend support to...whatever may be.

Terence McKenna in his work "Time Wave Zero" cognized and provided proofs for an underlying pattern to the evolution of existence.
 
Reflecting on a vision that form or matter is vibration within the field of undifferentiated, Mckenna's work may be translated in terms that form or matter vibrates within a field of undifferentiated which also vibrates and does so in a recognizable pattern. This underlying vibration ultimately effects all.
Simply put, this patten can be compared to a music scale and it's octaves. As the Universe evolves it moves from one vibration to the next and then to the next octave, each octave allowing for another level of complexity to come into existence.
And similar to a musical scale there maybe a limit to the range of octaves.
Maybe we are reaching the end of the range or just the limit of our capability to cognize the range.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 15, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
Do you care to concede you previous threads before starting out on a new "speculative" venture.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 15, 2012, 06:16:54 PM
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. —Samuel Beckett
In truth, there is not anything that remains the same, everything changes.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Chew on July 15, 2012, 06:29:22 PM
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. —Samuel Beckett
In truth, there is not anything that remains the same, everything changes.

Not true. The scientifcally ignorant will always find "deep" meaning in vacuous statements. As your interpretation of Zukav amply demonstrates.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 15, 2012, 06:54:32 PM
Not true. The scientifcally ignorant will always find "deep" meaning in vacuous statements. As your interpretation of Zukav amply demonstrates.
What remains the same?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 15, 2012, 07:51:11 PM
Not true. The scientifcally ignorant will always find "deep" meaning in vacuous statements. As your interpretation of Zukav amply demonstrates.
What remains the same?

The willingness to believe in crackpot ideas.  That is the nothing new we shine on, because there is no alternative.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 15, 2012, 07:52:11 PM
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. —Samuel Beckett
In truth, there is not anything that remains the same, everything changes.
Evasion noted.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: LunarOrbit on July 15, 2012, 08:23:27 PM
We can make many misstakes attempting to understand ancient texts and sign posts, the most erroneous is to assume we know more then ancient peoples, another is to believe we understand what they were attempting to communicate.

In other words, if we say the Mayians were NOT predicting the end of the world, then obviously we just don't understand what they were trying to communicate. But any nut who claims they were predicting the end of the world understands them perfectly.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 15, 2012, 09:35:33 PM

In other words, if we say the Mayians were NOT predicting the end of the world, then obviously we just don't understand what they were trying to communicate. But any nut who claims they were predicting the end of the world understands them perfectly.
I thought it might be interesting to site another source of knowledge that may support the understanding of the Mayan's calendar to be predicting the end of ? to be in December of 2012.

The insanity is  thinking you know.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 15, 2012, 09:39:51 PM
Evasion noted.
If anyone wants to discuss JFK in the other thread, I will join when appropriate.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: LunarOrbit on July 15, 2012, 09:42:10 PM
Evasion noted.
If anyone wants to discuss JFK in the other thread, I will join when appropriate.

You've got some questions just waiting for you. You've made claims that you haven't defended. Now is appropriate.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 15, 2012, 09:51:01 PM
The willingness to believe in crackpot ideas.  That is the nothing new we shine on, because there is no alternative.
Are you the arbitor of truth?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 15, 2012, 09:52:17 PM
You've got some questions just waiting for you. You've made claims that you haven't defended. Now is appropriate.
OK
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 15, 2012, 10:06:35 PM
The willingness to believe in crackpot ideas.  That is the nothing new we shine on, because there is no alternative.
Are you the arbitor of truth?
Yes I am! How did you know?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: DataCable on July 15, 2012, 10:20:02 PM
It is comforting to assume that 'time' is constant.
According to Relativity (both General and Special), it's not.

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I cannot attempt to explain the Mayan calendar
That's ok, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayan_calendar) has it covered.

Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Andromeda on July 16, 2012, 03:33:40 AM
http://www.2012hoax.org (http://www.2012hoax.org)

Probably the best site on the web to deal with 2012ers.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on July 16, 2012, 11:12:22 AM
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I cannot attempt to explain the Mayan calendar...

It's not exactly that hard to explain. You know how you got to the end of the calendar you had last year? And when you reached the end of December 31st, you went and started a new one at January 1st? It's kind of like that.

Oh, and remember how everyone got excited for January 1st, 2000, for no other real reason than it was a round number of years? The end of the 13th bak'tun will be something like that. It is a round number.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Chew on July 16, 2012, 01:38:59 PM
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I cannot attempt to explain the Mayan calendar...

It's not exactly that hard to explain. You know how you got to the end of the calendar you had last year? And when you reached the end of December 31st, you went and started a new one at January 1st? It's kind of like that.

But with fireworks instead of human sacrifices.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 16, 2012, 01:58:56 PM
But with fireworks instead of human sacrifices.

I've seen fireworks before and I have some extra vacation time.  So where do I go to see a human sacrifice?  Its a short hop from Houston to Mexico City.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on July 16, 2012, 05:22:54 PM
But with fireworks instead of human sacrifices.

I've seen fireworks before and I have some extra vacation time.  So where do I go to see a human sacrifice?  Its a short hop from Houston to Mexico City.

Well, Mexico City wouldn't be Mayan, but you could run out to the Pyramids of the Sun and Moon, and see if the Teotihuacanos were holding something in their area. Don't think it's known for sure if they used the Mayan calendar, though.

Otherwise, you could try a short hop to Chichen Itza, although my personal fave would be Uxmal.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on July 17, 2012, 01:57:18 PM
We can make many misstakes attempting to understand ancient texts and sign posts, the most erroneous is to assume we know more then ancient peoples, another is to believe we understand what they were attempting to communicate.

In Gary Zukav's book "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" he presents compelling evidence showing that physics has just begun to cognize the Universe in depths that can be found in ancient vedic texts. If you understand the impact of this, you realize that mystics understood Existence or Being long before the invention of science.

The second part of this is, that to understand Vedic or mystical texts it is imperative to know that these texts cannot be understood through thinking. They are not presenting constructs, they are intuitive cognitions, projected through mystical experience from within the field of absolute being. To KNOW, one must experience the same. Without the experience, one can only guess at what the experience is, there is no knowing.

So with that said.
It is comforting to assume that 'time' is constant. Yet time is merely a concept of measurement. An interval, a unit depicting the movement or change of form or matter. Passage or flow of thoughts reinforces the illusion that time is real.

I cannot attempt to explain the Mayan calendar, I can offer an interesting view that may lend support to...whatever may be.

Terence McKenna in his work "Time Wave Zero" cognized and provided proofs for an underlying pattern to the evolution of existence.
 
Reflecting on a vision that form or matter is vibration within the field of undifferentiated, Mckenna's work may be translated in terms that form or matter vibrates within a field of undifferentiated which also vibrates and does so in a recognizable pattern. This underlying vibration ultimately effects all.
Simply put, this patten can be compared to a music scale and it's octaves. As the Universe evolves it moves from one vibration to the next and then to the next octave, each octave allowing for another level of complexity to come into existence.
And similar to a musical scale there maybe a limit to the range of octaves.
Maybe we are reaching the end of the range or just the limit of our capability to cognize the range.

You realize that this whole long post adds absolutely NO support to the theory that the end of the current bak'tun in the Mayan calendar will bring about any sort of catastrophe, right?

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...it is imperative to know that these texts cannot be understood through thinking...

While this is probably a gross insult to Mayan and Vedic scholars, it accurately describes most of the New Agey stuff that is supposedly based on them.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 17, 2012, 07:53:41 PM
While this is probably a gross insult to Mayan and Vedic scholars, it accurately describes most of the New Agey stuff that is supposedly based on them.
Do you ever stop thinking?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: LunarOrbit on July 17, 2012, 07:55:49 PM
Do you ever start?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 17, 2012, 07:58:43 PM
You realize that this whole long post adds absolutely NO support to the theory that the end of the current bak'tun in the Mayan calendar will bring about any sort of catastrophe, right?

It is being supported in a powerful way, in that Terence McKenna, independently and without knowledge of the Mayan Prophecy had calculated the end date to be December 21, 2012.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 17, 2012, 07:59:27 PM
Do you ever start?
Problem is in stopping.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 17, 2012, 08:08:36 PM

While this is probably a gross insult to Mayan and Vedic scholars, it accurately describes most of the New Agey stuff that is supposedly based on them.
Being a scholar can be similar to a person studying and researching the riding of a bicycle but never having been on one, they, will always lack the experience of the riding, of the bike. 

When a scholar directs his studies to spiritual matters, lacking the spiritual experience, they, can only study the mundane.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 17, 2012, 08:13:06 PM

Probably the best site on the web to deal with 2012ers.
New ideas come from the outside of the box.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Halcyon Dayz, FCD on July 18, 2012, 12:02:05 AM

Probably the best site on the web to deal with 2012ers.
New ideas come from the outside of the box.
It doesn't matter where ideas come from.

They must be tested.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Andromeda on July 18, 2012, 02:49:56 AM
You realize that this whole long post adds absolutely NO support to the theory that the end of the current bak'tun in the Mayan calendar will bring about any sort of catastrophe, right?

It is being supported in a powerful way, in that Terence McKenna, independently and without knowledge of the Mayan Prophecy had calculated the end date to be December 21, 2012.

1. Prove his ideas were independent and without knowledge of anyone else's.
2. The Mayans made no prophesies about the end of the world.
3. Terence McKenna took a LOT of mind-altering drugs and his thoughts and behaviour may also have been influenced by his brain cancer.  In other words, anything he said is very suspect.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: DataCable on July 18, 2012, 04:48:43 AM
Terence McKenna, independently and without knowledge of the Mayan Prophecy had calculated the end date to be December 21, 2012.
Harold Camping "calculated" it to be October 21, 2011.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 18, 2012, 08:20:53 AM
When a scholar directs his studies to spiritual matters, lacking the spiritual experience, they, can only study the mundane.

Know one can really understand the spiritual inclinations of the Mayan, or any other past culture, because we cannot experience what they experience.  The only way to learn about the spiritual aspects of their culture is to understand the context of their lives through scholarship.  If we do otherwise we are merely reading our own inclinations into another culture.  We do a disservice to ourselves and to an ancient culture to believe that we are sharing and understanding their particular cultural expression when we eschew the knowledge that can be gained through the material remains of the society. 

This issue highlights the real problem with all of our conversations.  You value personal revelation above all else, while we value proven methods of objective understanding.  Revelation may illuminate the personal meaning of your experiences, as it does to many, but it is a poor guide to the material world in which we live.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on July 18, 2012, 09:43:43 AM
Ironically, profmunkin's vision of what "scholars" do is about 180 degrees from the reality. CTs seem to believe that research is done by spending your days in dusty libraries, studying what is already known.

Current researchers on the ancient Maya spend their days actually working with the Maya. The deciphering of the Maya writing system required workers who knew the Maya, knew their languages, and knew how they thought. Read a work by a REAL Maya researcher, such as Linda Schele, and see just how far these workers have moved from the ivory tower.

To use profmunkin's bicycle analogy, the Maya researchers studied bicycles until they understood their principles, went out and built bicycles, and are riding them around as we speak. The New Agers tell each other stories of how if we only understood the spiritual essence of bicycles, we could fly on them, but since the rest of us are too far "inside the box", we'll never truly understand the Way of the Bicycle.

BTW, profmunkin, if we reach then end of 2012 without a major catastrophe, will you be willing to come on to this forum and admit, "I was wrong"? Or will you claim that there was some invisible catastrophe that can only be detected by those who don't think about things too much?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 18, 2012, 11:00:16 AM
1. Prove his ideas were independent and without knowledge of anyone else's.
2. The Mayans made no prophesies about the end of the world.
3. Terence McKenna took a LOT of mind-altering drugs and his thoughts and behaviour may also have been influenced by his brain cancer.  In other words, anything he said is very suspect.
1) I believe what he said, why would he lie about a trivial matter?  Mckenna is not proposing anything concerning The Mayan Calender, out side of the fact that he was informed that coincidentally Timewave Zero matches up with his end date.  I have not uncovered any evidence that he has lied about anything. Plus what difference does it make in that his Timewave Zero Theory can be verified?
2) OK. But how do you know this?
3) Obvious you do not know Terence Mckenna, consciousness expanding drugs or know that he proposed Timewave Zero Theory long before the brain cancer.  Plus he remained coherent up until his death.

What is suspect is the predisposed prejudice against an idea or concept.
"Timewave Zero theory is a fractal function "
http://www.fractal-timewave.com/
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Chew on July 18, 2012, 11:26:29 AM
McKenna's original timewave zero date was November, 2012. After he learned about the Mayan baktun rollover he "modified" the end date. His original start date was the bombing of Hiroshima. Which means his revised start date is now marked by... Hershey's inventing a new candy bar?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on July 18, 2012, 11:45:50 AM
1. Prove his ideas were independent and without knowledge of anyone else's.
2. The Mayans made no prophesies about the end of the world.
3. Terence McKenna took a LOT of mind-altering drugs and his thoughts and behaviour may also have been influenced by his brain cancer.  In other words, anything he said is very suspect.
1) I believe what he said, why would he lie about a trivial matter?  Mckenna is not proposing anything concerning The Mayan Calender, out side of the fact that he was informed that coincidentally Timewave Zero matches up with his end date.  I have not uncovered any evidence that he has lied about anything. Plus what difference does it make in that his Timewave Zero Theory can be verified?
2) OK. But how do you know this?
3) Obvious you do not know Terence Mckenna, consciousness expanding drugs or know that he proposed Timewave Zero Theory long before the brain cancer.  Plus he remained coherent up until his death.

What is suspect is the predisposed prejudice against an idea or concept.
"Timewave Zero theory is a fractal function "
http://www.fractal-timewave.com/

Where has it been verified? And what exactly do you mean by that?

So, you believe that we're all going to die by the end of the year? If you really believe this, what exactly are you doing to prepare? Posting on message boards seems silly - scarcely something that would be on anyone's "bucket list". Arguing about the death of John Fitzgerald Kennedy when we only have about six months left of existence is a pretty big waste of time, wouldn't you say?

One would almost have to say that you do not really believe it yourself. Which is why you refer to it as a "trivial matter".
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 18, 2012, 12:20:35 PM

Know one can really understand the spiritual inclinations of the Mayan, or any other past culture, because we cannot experience what they experience. 
Can we agree that when we sleep, there is no memory of the experience of sleep?
Can we agree that when we dream, there is memories, all be it sometimes fleeting of the experience?
Can we agree that when we are not sleeping or dreaming, we experience wakefullness?

We could discuss these three states of consciousness and have a common understanding of the nature of each state. We can describe each state or experience of each state as being different then the others, yet each of the three states of being is known to all of us.

So if we were to study dreaming, since we all have the experience we could write based on our experience plus we could recognize other peoples experiences in light of our own. Just as we are not surprised when someone tells us a strange dream, we recognize the nature of dreaming. But if you were a person that has never experienced dreaming, you could not recognize the nature of dream state and judging only by your experience, deny that dream state existed.

There are 7 recognized states of consciousness;
Sleeping state of consciousness
Dreaming state of consciousness
Wakefullness state of consciousness
Transcendental state of consciousness
Cosmic state of consciousness
God state of consciousness
Unity state of consciousness

The mystics tell us that these states of consciousness exist and that each state of being is as different one to another as sleeping is to wakefullness.

If the Mayans left a spiritual sign post, it can be recognized by its nature.
Just as experiencing deeper states of consciousness provides the experience for a person to recognize the nature of the meanings within spiritual texts and sign posts.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on July 18, 2012, 12:38:03 PM
So, what you're saying is,

"We don't know for sure what the Maya meant, or even if they meant anything at all about 2012, but we 'spiritually aware' people will know it when we see it. It'll be something all mystical and stuff."

Why are you bothering to write this on message boards? Shouldn't you be out building bunkers in your back yard or something, for the coming catastrophe?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 18, 2012, 01:15:04 PM
BTW, profmunkin, if we reach then end of 2012 without a major catastrophe, will you be willing to come on to this forum and admit, "I was wrong"? Or will you claim that there was some invisible catastrophe that can only be detected by those who don't think about things too much?
Are you so stuck in judgment that you can not recognize the fact that I have not voiced any opinion on what 2012 means.

For the record: I said I know almost nothing about the Mayan Calander or it's prophecies
For the record: I don't know what 2012 will bring
For the record: I won't be surprised to celebrate 2013 new year.
For the record: I presented Terence Mckenna "Timewave zero" as supporting evidence that there may be a phenomena we do not understand that coincindentally correlates to Mayan calander as stated.
For the record: Studying Timewave Zero has given me no knowlegde as to what 2012 ultimately means.
For the record: I believe and trust Terence Mckenna and have yet to find a flaw in Timewave Zero Theory. I will even be bold and state he was one of "the greatest minds" of our time.
For the record: I am willing to listen, I am willing to try to understand.

Continiouisly defending your positions just cements your thinking. You become a technician, incapable of new thought.
If you can't open your mind, you will just remain stuck in judgment, thinking thinking thinking you know it all.

Try something new - "Timewave Zero" video or "The Tree of Knowledge" audio

Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Andromeda on July 18, 2012, 01:24:40 PM
1. Prove his ideas were independent and without knowledge of anyone else's.
2. The Mayans made no prophesies about the end of the world.
3. Terence McKenna took a LOT of mind-altering drugs and his thoughts and behaviour may also have been influenced by his brain cancer.  In other words, anything he said is very suspect.
1) I believe what he said, why would he lie about a trivial matter?  Mckenna is not proposing anything concerning The Mayan Calender, out side of the fact that he was informed that coincidentally Timewave Zero matches up with his end date.  I have not uncovered any evidence that he has lied about anything. Plus what difference does it make in that his Timewave Zero Theory can be verified?
2) OK. But how do you know this?
3) Obvious you do not know Terence Mckenna, consciousness expanding drugs or know that he proposed Timewave Zero Theory long before the brain cancer.  Plus he remained coherent up until his death.

What is suspect is the predisposed prejudice against an idea or concept.
"Timewave Zero theory is a fractal function "
http://www.fractal-timewave.com/

1.  Why would anyone lie?  For money or fame, like Nancy Lieder or Zachariah Sitchin.

2.  Read this page: http://www.2012hoax.org/maya-prediction  I am one of the authors of that website.

3.  I know the drugs and brain cancer made him see and experience things which were not real, and that he was quite out of it by the time of his death.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 18, 2012, 01:27:03 PM
The mystics tell us that these states of consciousness exist and that each state of being is as different one to another as sleeping is to wakefullness.

Mystics may tell you that, or many other things.  So what.  What science tells us is that there are various physical states to which we humans experience a similar response.  However the meaning we place on that experience varies widely among cultures.  To simply say the meaning is common, without understating the specific context of the other culture is a fallacy.  You can search for and find all the personal experiences and meaning you want, but when you try to make statements about the material world, you are entering into the realm of science. 

Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 18, 2012, 01:29:47 PM

If the Mayans left a spiritual sign post, it can be recognized by its nature.
So tell us.  What exactly are the "spiritual sign posts" left by the Mayans and why is the interpretation of them as "signposts" proper, as opposed to all other possible interpretations. 
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 18, 2012, 01:31:08 PM
So, what you're saying is,

"We don't know for sure what the Maya meant, or even if they meant anything at all about 2012, but we 'spiritually aware' people will know it when we see it. It'll be something all mystical and stuff."

Why are you bothering to write this on message boards? Shouldn't you be out building bunkers in your back yard or something, for the coming catastrophe?
What I am saying is that civilizations recorded transactions and recorded spiritually significant things. Most likely the Mayan Calender was a spiritual item and if true, must be viewed in the nature of consciousness, it is not mundane and cannot be in its fullness understood from our common perspective.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 18, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
So tell us.  What exactly are the "spiritual sign posts" left by the Mayans and why is the interpretation of them as "signposts" proper, as opposed to all other possible interpretations.
Really - concerning the Mayans - I don't know - 2012 I don't know

Concerning other spiritual texts, you know when you have the experience. It is the only way, other wise it is just an abstract idea, a thought stream. The texts and sign posts instead of being portals to higher states of consciousness become mind structures of which the shackles of religion are made.
Spirituality is an experience, it's dancing in the mystery.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on July 18, 2012, 01:58:38 PM
Why is a calendar "most likely" a spiritual item?

Look, it's fine to take a spiritual view of things. However, that doesn't allow you to then use that viewpoint as an argument into the mundane. If you're saying that you basically know nothing of the meaning of the end of the bak'tun, but there possibly could be some sort of spiritual significance, that's charming, in a sort of vague way, but it's useless for deciding if we should build bunkers or not.

And it's completely unfalsifiable. When the date passes, as it will, with nothing happening on a cosmic scale, the mystics will just wave an ethereal hand, and explain that the "end of the world" was meant as a spiritual metaphor, and us "mundanes" won't recognize the true revolution that just happened.

profmunkin, put your cards on the table. What do you expect will happen on December 21, 2012? My own prediction is that you will see a lot of New Agers preparing their statements about why we just didn't notice the world ended, but it really did - for special values of "world" and "end".
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 18, 2012, 02:10:15 PM
Spirituality is an experience, it's dancing in the mystery.

Yes it is and it can provide great meaning and joy in life.  But it does not provide any grounding for the understanding of the material world, that is the scope of science.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Chew on July 18, 2012, 02:20:24 PM
Mysticism; (noun): the study of equivocation. Origin: Late Holocene for those that produce and sell bovine fertilizer.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 18, 2012, 02:30:05 PM

Mystics may tell you that, or many other things.  So what.  What science tells us is that there are various physical states to which we humans experience a similar response.
Science can't know spirituality, it can't know higher states of consciousness.

Where science studies the matter, spirituality studies the space

On what basis can science judge spirituality?
Science can only go where existence can be subdivided.
Spirituality is drawn to where existence becomes whole.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on July 18, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
What proof do you have that these "higher states of consciousness" even exist?

Back to the end of the bak'tun - I notice that you claimed that we poor mundanes don't understand what the Mayans said. But you, despite your spiritual awareness, also don't claim to understand anything - your basic response was "I don't know" about anything. You just assume that the date is signficant, in some nonspecific way. So, how are you any more aware than the rest of us?

Me: The December 21st date will not bring anything out of the ordinary.
You: No. It'll mean something. I don't know what, in any describable way, and you probably won't even notice it. But darn it, the Maya were telling us something of deep spiritual signficance when they chose their calendar to reach a cycle end on that day.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Andromeda on July 18, 2012, 02:43:19 PM

Mystics may tell you that, or many other things.  So what.  What science tells us is that there are various physical states to which we humans experience a similar response.
Science can't know spirituality, it can't know higher states of consciousness.

Where science studies the matter, spirituality studies the space

On what basis can science judge spirituality?
Science can only go where existence can be subdivided.
Spirituality is drawn to where existence becomes whole.

I'm pretty sure this is just babble.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 18, 2012, 03:29:20 PM
profmunkin, put your cards on the table. What do you expect will happen on December 21, 2012? My own prediction is that you will see a lot of New Agers preparing their statements about why we just didn't notice the world ended, but it really did - for special values of "world" and "end".
Fair enough
Truly I don't know what will happen if anything. I don't know of anyone who knows.

Here is a possibility I can't shake.
Let me first propose a distinction
A person can contemplate, or direct their intention - this is not thinking - this is were creation comes from, a person becomes silent awareness and allows the answers to come from the silence.
Example - a person conceiving of Lego's
A person thinking, is a person that is hearing the echos of his mind, a slave to thought.
Example - a person may rearrange the Lego's

From a spiritual stand point, if you are not in the "now" or "silence" you are thinking, you are remembering or projecting, this is insanity.
We are becoming increasingly addicted to thought, which for the moment consider thought to be insanity, we are becoming increasingly more insane.
What the 2012 event may be concerned with is that the potential "maximum" of insanity will be reached and that there will either be a mass realization and in an insant a transformation in global consciousness or we will destroy ourselves.

 
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 18, 2012, 03:43:08 PM

Yes it is and it can provide great meaning and joy in life.  But it does not provide any grounding for the understanding of the material world, that is the scope of science.
I agree

It follows that if the Mayans are predicting a physical end of the world, science should be able to also predict an end of the world.
If the Mayans are predicting some sort of spiritual transformation, science has no capacity to even make a comment.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Andromeda on July 18, 2012, 03:56:39 PM
Looking at posting times, you are fully aware you have questions on the JFK thread.  Funny how you carry on posting in this thread, yet ignore mod warnings in that one.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Jason Thompson on July 18, 2012, 03:58:46 PM
What a load of twaddle, prof. Why do you think your definition of 'thinking' has any validity whatsoever? oh yes, that's right: so you can accuse those of us who actually think about the waffle you write of being insane or inadequate somehow, all to improve your own self-image.

Or, to put it another way, you are incapable of original thought, so you parrot the waffle others have written if it happens to agree with your chosen belief system, and refuse to actually do any thinking that might enable you to draw some sort of defensible conclusion.

Now get back to the JFK thread, where you have questions pending, and a deadline that you have tried unsuccessfully to circumvent, awaiting you.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 18, 2012, 04:00:11 PM

Mystics may tell you that, or many other things.  So what.  What science tells us is that there are various physical states to which we humans experience a similar response.
Science can't know spirituality, it can't know higher states of consciousness.

Where science studies the matter, spirituality studies the space

On what basis can science judge spirituality?
Science can only go where existence can be subdivided.
Spirituality is drawn to where existence becomes whole.

People have claimed this for years while science has kept plunging into areas that mystics of all sorts have claimed to have exclusive rights.  I have some sympathy to the anti-reductionist beliefs that you follow, but the fact is that anti-reductionist simply don't have the ability to say where science can and can not be useful.   Spirituality, individual and collective, is based on personal experience and social constructs.  It simply does not tell us anything about the material world nor is it capable of demonstrating any structures independent of the material framework of our bodies and our accepted constructs.  More and more of a what we perceive and experience is coming under the purview of science.  Lets face it, we are material beings and the material world is best examined by science. 

Back to the original point of this tangent, without a through understanding of the material remains of the Mayan civilization, we have no hope of understanding their spiritual inclinations.  All we could do is attribute to the Mayan what we need them to be to support our own beliefs.  Does that sound like someone we know?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 18, 2012, 04:06:41 PM
Mysticism; (noun): the study of equivocation. Origin: Late Holocene for those that produce and sell bovine fertilizer.
Mysticism is immersion in the mystery. The mystery is existence.
A mystic is one who endeavors every moment in silence, being within the mystery.
Why would you treat this with such disrespect?
There is a place for science and there is space for spirituality, there is no conflict between the two.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on July 18, 2012, 04:11:07 PM
profmunkin, put your cards on the table. What do you expect will happen on December 21, 2012? My own prediction is that you will see a lot of New Agers preparing their statements about why we just didn't notice the world ended, but it really did - for special values of "world" and "end".
Fair enough
Truly I don't know what will happen if anything. I don't know of anyone who knows.

Here is a possibility I can't shake.
Let me first propose a distinction
A person can contemplate, or direct their intention - this is not thinking - this is were creation comes from, a person becomes silent awareness and allows the answers to come from the silence.
Example - a person conceiving of Lego's
A person thinking, is a person that is hearing the echos of his mind, a slave to thought.
Example - a person may rearrange the Lego's

From a spiritual stand point, if you are not in the "now" or "silence" you are thinking, you are remembering or projecting, this is insanity.
We are becoming increasingly addicted to thought, which for the moment consider thought to be insanity, we are becoming increasingly more insane.
What the 2012 event may be concerned with is that the potential "maximum" of insanity will be reached and that there will either be a mass realization and in an insant a transformation in global consciousness or we will destroy ourselves.

OK. You've taken a calendar date, with nothing specific from the Maya actually recorded, and created a lovely tale about it. With absolutely nothing to back it other than it's a "feeling" that you "can't shake".

Your post, replete with wiggle-words such as "may" and "perhaps", boils down to "something is going to happen. Or it might not". You expect us to take as a given that there will be a "2012 event". However, when the day passes, and absolutely nothing out of the mundane happens, you will shrug and go, "well, I never said anything specific would happen. Just said it might." To me, this is not arguing in good faith.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Jason Thompson on July 18, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
There is when people maintain that one can explain the other. You want scientists to treat 'mystics' with respect, get them to stop waffling on as if they have all the answers science doesn't have, or saying that science is simply wrong about things.

Now, you, stop waffling on and meet your obligations on the other thread.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: profmunkin on July 18, 2012, 04:31:49 PM
Looking at posting times, you are fully aware you have questions on the JFK thread.  Funny how you carry on posting in this thread, yet ignore mod warnings in that one.
Not really - I don't know what needs to be answered on JFK thread, at the big cheeses urging I looked over a few of the last 3 pages of postings yesterday and produced a post. If you are referring to the question of sharing my opinion of how JFK and JC were shot, it was previously answered, not sharing it.

I still have no intention of sharing my opinions on scenario for shooting JFK with this forum.
You can think that you don't deserve to hear them and you might be correct, but my reason is, why bother.
Thinking about starting a new thread concerning JFK, would this be too upsetting?

I don't take threats from anyone seriously.

I post on this thread because it has been of some interest.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Jason Thompson on July 18, 2012, 04:33:32 PM
Then you'll probably get banned, and good riddance. After your behaviour on the old forum, and your pathetic cowardly delietion of all your posts, why you are still here is frankly beyond me.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Andromeda on July 18, 2012, 04:38:05 PM
Looking at posting times, you are fully aware you have questions on the JFK thread.  Funny how you carry on posting in this thread, yet ignore mod warnings in that one.
Not really - I don't know what needs to be answered on JFK thread, at the big cheeses urging I looked over a few of the last 3 pages of postings yesterday and produced a post. If you are referring to the question of sharing my opinion of how JFK and JC were shot, it was previously answered, not sharing it.

I still have no intention of sharing my opinions on scenario for shooting JFK with this forum.
You can think that you don't deserve to hear them and you might be correct, but my reason is, why bother.
Thinking about starting a new thread concerning JFK, would this be too upsetting?

I don't take threats from anyone seriously.

I post on this thread because it has been of some interest.

So you admit that you have wilfully break forum rules, disobey a mod, insult people and you intend to not only continue but make it worse.

I suspect if you did make a new JFK thread, LO would simply lock it because you haven't dealt with the old one.

You're just a troll, aren't you?

I am going to relish reporting this post.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on July 18, 2012, 04:45:58 PM
I still have no intention of sharing my opinions on scenario for shooting JFK with this forum.
You can think that you don't deserve to hear them and you might be correct, but my reason is, why bother.

Actually, that's not what I think. I think you won't "share" because you do not feel confident that you can defend any specific proposition. It's easy to play with "anomalies" here and there; much more difficult to say "this is what I think happened, and here's my evidence".

But I would sincerely want to know - if you feel "why bother?" about actually discussing your ideas, why are you bothering to post at all? Even starting a new thread, which I'm sure will contain nothing significantly different from your previous one.

Is there a logic behind "Here, I'd like to talk about JFK. Except I won't actually say anything, except to say you're all wrong"? I would think if you really have a burning desire to talk about the assassination, you'd want to tell us your theories.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: gillianren on July 18, 2012, 08:01:57 PM
I think using the "ignore" function was the smartest thing I've done so far on the new board.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on July 18, 2012, 08:02:03 PM
I still have no intention of sharing my opinions on scenario for shooting JFK with this forum.
You can think that you don't deserve to hear them and you might be correct, but my reason is, why bother.

Why bother indeed.  You have already shared plenty of opinions but fail to recognize that "dancing in the mystery" does not solve real world questions.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on December 20, 2012, 04:06:10 PM
Just an update - it appears that the 2012ists have gone quiet on this board. Unfortunately, on an unrelated board, one poster who works a distress line mentions that she is spending large amounts of time trying to comfort people calling up in terror that their lives are almost over. Including small children.

I wish there was a way that one could make those who have profited off this nonsense share that pain.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Andromeda on December 21, 2012, 07:09:40 AM
The 2012hoax.org site has been absolutely swamped.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Glom on December 21, 2012, 11:42:04 AM
Looks like I have to go on living. Guess I should get a new washing machine after all.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: twik on December 21, 2012, 12:10:13 PM
I wonder what happened to that person who was going to dive off Bell Rock in Sedona, into the "opening transdimensional portal"?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Halcyon Dayz, FCD on December 21, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
Another day, another nonpocalypse.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Echnaton on December 21, 2012, 06:41:18 PM
This morning we played R.E.M. on the way to school, then McCartney's Live and Let Die.

At 12:21:12 on 12.21.12 I had a beer with lunch.  We are having a EOW party tomorrow or perhaps it is a Christmas party.  One or the other.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Glom on December 25, 2012, 03:51:05 AM
So what are all those kooks saying now?
Title: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: LunarOrbit on December 25, 2012, 09:56:01 AM
Who knows? We haven't heard from them since they locked themselves in their bunkers on December 20th. ;)
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Andromeda on December 26, 2012, 03:20:05 AM
Let's put on gorilla costumes for when they come out.
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: darren r on December 26, 2012, 07:52:35 AM
Let's put on gorilla costumes for when they come out.

Zombie makeup surely?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Nowhere Man on December 26, 2012, 06:07:56 PM
National Gorilla Suit Day is January 31 (gotta put that on my calendar).  Think they'll stay holed up that long?

Fred
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Grashtel on December 26, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
Let's put on gorilla costumes for when they come out.

Zombie makeup surely?
Hmm, why not combine the two and have zombie gorilla costumes?
Title: Re: 2012 maya calendar
Post by: Tedward on December 28, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
Hollywood blockbuster in there somewhere. Planet of the Apes meets Shaun of the Dead....