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Title: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Read Think Repeat on April 03, 2019, 11:37:44 PM
Radiation was showstopper, venality the motive for the Apollo fraud. Radiation is a complex subject, and there are many more unknown problems as there are known problems. On the other hand the photography and video record was executed poorly, and is easy pickings.

From the Apollo 16 fraud comes a gem of a bad photo: AS16-109-17800

1) The red lines denote where the standard stagelines between stage and background are apparent.
2) The red circles highlight that the astronaut's left leg is not casting a shadow like his right leg.
3) Laughingly, the rover is casting a shadow in a direction 90 degrees off from that of the direction of the astronaut's shadow, and the shadows of other objects in the photo. The yellow lines denote the direction of shadows, the blue circles the high-gain antenna and its shadow.

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength" I'm weak.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: JayUtah on April 03, 2019, 11:49:19 PM
Radiation was showstopper, venality the motive for the Apollo fraud. Radiation is a complex subject...

Oh, good, there are several people here, myself included, who can speak at length about radiation management in space.  You've offered only vague, handwaving challenges.  Would you care to go into more detail?

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...and there are many more unknown problems...

No, you don't get to challenge the authenticity of something over things you don't know are problems.

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...as there are known problems.

Such as?

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1) The red lines denote where the standard stagelines between stage and background are apparent.

Or it could be the standard crest of an intervening hill.  Explain the process you used to determine which one was true.  Quite a number of us here are well versed in stagecraft too.  We use the technique you allude to because it's reasonably convincing.  It's reasonably convincing because it closely approximates real life.

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2) The red circles highlight that the astronaut's left leg is not casting a shadow like his right leg.

Because one leg is exactly up-sun from the other.  This is not hard to figure out.

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3) Laughingly, the rover is casting a shadow in a direction 90 degrees off from that of the direction of the astronaut's shadow, and the shadows of other objects in the photo. The yellow lines denote the direction of shadows, the blue circles the high-gain antenna and its shadow.

There are techniques common in photogrammetric rectification to determine the actual directions of shadows. Why have you not used them?  Why are you simply casually reckoning the directions based on uncontrolled observation?  The topmost yellow line is clearly wrong, if it means to indicate the direction of shadows in the two o'clock direction from the center fiducial.
Title: Shadow Turned Left at Albuquerque
Post by: Read Think Repeat on April 03, 2019, 11:50:13 PM
The NASA fraudsters made the same mistake in AS16-117-18819 as they did in AS16-109-17800: The rover's shadow is 90 degrees off from that of the astronaut's. Doh!

Yellow arrows denote the shadows of various objects, while the orange arrow and circles indicate the shadows from the rover and its high-gain antenna.

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.
Title: Re: Shadow Turned Left at Albuquerque
Post by: JayUtah on April 03, 2019, 11:52:08 PM
You do realize that the arrows you're drawing on these photographs are not the real directions of shadows?  I assume you're unfamiliar with the proper method for determining shadow light source direction.

Also, you've presented an interpretation that the shadows in these images are not consistent.  You've told us this is the result of fraud.  You're missing the middle part of your argument where you tell us how it was really done.  And you've omitted an answer to the rather obvious question that asks why NASA would do this if the results would be so easily detected as fraud.  You realize, of course, that you're not the first to argue that the directions of shadows are inconsistent.  These claims go back to at least the mid-1990s if not earlier.  And you may be aware that when these same issues were brought up more than twenty years go, the conclusion was that the "analysis" of the shadows was naive and ignored all the various effects that can alter the apparent directions of shadows.  What have you done to avoid those previous errors?
Title: Let's Play Twister...Light Twister That Is
Post by: Read Think Repeat on April 04, 2019, 12:07:55 AM
The NASA fraudsters couldn't make up their minds as to which way they wanted shadows to fall in AS16-107-17529.

First, it's straight on, as shown by the photog's shadow. Then second, it's to the left, as displayed by the scoop handle's shadow. And then third, the pole out by the astronaut is casting its shadow to the right.

But wait, there's more (Sorry, no ShamWow). The astronaut is casting no shadow upon the stage set floor--not to the left, not to the right. And neither is the blue circled rock.

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.
Title: Re: Let's Play Twister...Light Twister That Is
Post by: JayUtah on April 04, 2019, 12:17:56 AM
Obvious troll is obvious.  This one is simple perspective.  Circled rock not casting a shadow?  Maybe because it's exactly down-sun from the photographer?

You don't have the faintest clue how shadows work.
Title: Re: Shadow Turned Left at Albuquerque
Post by: jr Knowing on April 04, 2019, 12:28:16 AM
Read Think Repeat,

I am on your "team". But I think both of your pictures can be easily explained by perspective and convergence. There are a boat load of better shadow anomaly photos in the magazines. These are not good examples. If anything, the photo you posted can be used as an example of possible front screen projection. If you run it through a photo editor, there is a pretty clear line between front and back. 
Title: Re: Shadow Turned Left at Albuquerque
Post by: JayUtah on April 04, 2019, 12:34:05 AM
If you run it through a photo editor...

Meaning what, specifically?

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...there is a pretty clear line between front and back.

Yes, and in the valley I live in there are several examples of such intervening rise crests that occur in real life.  Should I suspect that my valley has been Photoshopped?  Or should we just all admit the obvious:  that these sorts of things occur also in real life, and that the theatrical technique works because it looks like real life.
Title: Re: Shadow Turned Left at Albuquerque
Post by: jr Knowing on April 04, 2019, 12:48:42 AM
Hi Jay,

Give me a few days. I will post a couple examples that you guys can comment on.
Title: Re: Let's Play Twister...Light Twister That Is
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 04, 2019, 12:53:03 AM
The NASA fraudsters couldn't make up their minds as to which way they wanted shadows to fall in AS16-107-17529.

First, it's straight on, as shown by the photog's shadow. Then second, it's to the left, as displayed by the scoop handle's shadow. And then third, the pole out by the astronaut is casting its shadow to the right.

But wait, there's more (Sorry, no ShamWow). The astronaut is casting no shadow upon the stage set floor--not to the left, not to the right. And neither is the blue circled rock.

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.

The astronaut is casting a shadow, it's there on the ground behind him.

Try harder  maybe spend less time swallowing expattaffy's stupid.
Title: Re: Shadow Turned Left at Albuquerque
Post by: JayUtah on April 04, 2019, 12:56:46 AM
Give me a few days.

No, I was asking about findings you already posted.  If reached your conclusion first, and will do the necessary work later, then your entire process is wrong.

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I will post a couple examples that you guys can comment on.

Actually I'd rather have you focus on the threads you already started, rather than jump onto the threads started by other people.  You seem to be pretty desperate to find a distraction in your lunar regolith thread and your lunar module thread.  You should concede those threads before vigorously changing the subject.
Title: Re: Let's Play Twister...Light Twister That Is
Post by: JayUtah on April 04, 2019, 12:58:10 AM
This guy registered back in October 2018 and waited this long to post his first post.  And he's clearly trolling/spamming.
Title: Re: Shadow Turned Left at Albuquerque
Post by: jr Knowing on April 04, 2019, 01:09:24 AM
But Jay you brought up something in the Apollo Discussions forum I so badly want to comment on :) but can't because it is not in the hoax section.
Title: Re: Shadow Turned Left at Albuquerque
Post by: JayUtah on April 04, 2019, 01:16:11 AM
But Jay you brought up something in the Apollo Discussions forum I so badly want to comment on :) but can't because it is not in the hoax section.

Copy the relevant post into the hoax section.
Title: And, Poof! No More Shadow! Thank You, Very Much!
Post by: Read Think Repeat on April 04, 2019, 01:20:25 AM
During the Apollo 14 fraud, the astroNots wheeled out an utility cart of some kind--"Hotdogs! Red Hots!" No, not that kind of cart. Though, come to think about it, maybe they did sell hotdogs from the cart between stage sets ups?! Hmmm?!

Anyways, in AS14-64-9138 the astronaut is casting a shadow, and in AS14-64-9139, "She Gone!" The shadow, that is. Just gone. Adios!

Maybe the shadow illustrator was union and the NASA fraudsters couldn't afford the overtime?!

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.
Title: Re: And, Poof! No More Shadow! Thank You, Very Much!
Post by: JayUtah on April 04, 2019, 01:21:39 AM
Obvious troll is obvious.
Title: Re: Shadow Turned Left at Albuquerque
Post by: Zakalwe on April 04, 2019, 01:40:48 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/V66rR7bF/IMG-20181224-144433.jpg)

Explain this
Title: Shadows?! We Don't Need No Stinkin' Shadows!
Post by: Read Think Repeat on April 04, 2019, 02:07:37 AM
The astronaut in AS14-67-9389 throws a pretty good shadow while he's being chased by the shadowless banditos behind him.

All that equipment behind the astronaut, and not a shadow from any of them. Especially telling are the lack of shadows from the two vertical things, antennas.

That astronaut should have stayed in the Sierra Madres, as the banditos there only lack badges. Run!!!

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.
Title: Re: Shadows?! We Don't Need No Stinkin' Shadows!
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 04, 2019, 02:28:39 AM
Are you here for the notifications?

The shadows are directly behind the objects you see.

Ignorance is stupid, stop being so proud of it?
Title: What Happens In Vegas...Affects One's Faking Skills
Post by: Read Think Repeat on April 04, 2019, 02:38:11 AM
During the Apollo 12 fraud, the NASA fraudsters' fraudlings (New word! Call Websters!) did a horrible job with compositing photos together near what is supposed to be a crater. All the photos near the bogus crater are of extreme poor quality--AS12-46-6742 is a good representation.

The most glaring of issues with the photos near the fake crater are revealing lighting and a very visible stageline. As bad as that is, it gets worse. In AS12-47-6968 the NASA fraudsters' fraudlings not only failed to obfuscate the stageline, but misaligned a rock and shadow. Oops! Too much of a Vegas weekend can lead to poor work performance on Monday.

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.
Title: Don't Cross the Streams! Well, the Shadows
Post by: Read Think Repeat on April 04, 2019, 03:26:01 AM
The Apollo 15 fraud is a gift of fraud that keeps on giving...and giving...and giving.

AS15-85-11439  is so stupid, it's funny. Hilarious! The NASA fraudsters must have gone far to the left-end of the Bell Curve for their fraudlings.

But wait! For a limited time we can offer you not one, but two additional errors in 11439! That's three errors for one! Act now! Additional shipping and handling may apply.

A closer look at 11439 reveals a stageline, compositing line in this case, running thru the image. The evidence is at the far left where the NASA fraudsters' line-obfuscator fraudling mistakenly blended the large rock's shadow in to the line (Orange oval).

And the best for last, At the far right, in the red circles, the NASA fraudsters' cut-and-paste fraudling did a poor job. As one can see in the inner most red circle, the fraudling's paste job overlapped the astronaut's shadow. Now that's funny.

This offer won't last long! So order today!

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.
Title: Which Way Did the Light Go?
Post by: Read Think Repeat on April 04, 2019, 04:48:13 AM
From the Apollo 15 fraud comes an interesting, but far from unique work of fraud-art. AS15-82-11168 has light coming in from several directions; Well, light depicted as coming in from several directions.

The yellow lines and circles pretty much tell the story. Shadows fall in in several directions because of light streaming in from multiple directions.

Most telling is the light falling on the middle and backgrounds contrasted with that falling on the rover and astronaut. The light further back in the photo falls from the upper-right to the lower-left, while that falling on the rover and astronaut falls generally from the bottom-right to the upper-left. Note in the red circles the rover's high-gain antenna and its corresponding shadow cast to the rover's front.

The reflection in the blue circle confirms the position of the studio light, I mean "Sun," for the rover and astronaut, but cannot be the light source for objects further to the rear of the photo.

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.
Title: Re: Which Way Did the Light Go?
Post by: Zakalwe on April 04, 2019, 05:02:39 AM
Explain this:

(https://i.postimg.cc/V66rR7bF/IMG-20181224-144433.jpg)
Title: Re: Which Way Did the Light Go?
Post by: Mag40 on April 04, 2019, 05:31:26 AM
Could you give us an example of a studio light with enough power to illuminate such a massive area. This picture comes from footage that spans many hectares and there is always a single shadow. For clarification, the light source cannot be excessively wide, as it will subsequently not cast such clearly defined shadows. They will be more pointed.

I refer you to the following video that has quite comprehensively dismantled the large spotlight claim:-

Title: Re: Don't Cross the Streams! Well, the Shadows
Post by: Mag40 on April 04, 2019, 05:45:05 AM
Cut and paste on a film in 1971? The area in question is a small ridge. If you took time to look at higher resolution imagery, you can plainly see that it is simply a higher piece of ground. Also, plainly and very obvious is that the astronaut PLSS shadow you highlighted is falling on a rock:-

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21688245845

Title: Re: Which Way Did the Light Go?
Post by: Zakalwe on April 04, 2019, 05:47:18 AM
We shouldn't really feed the obvious troll, to be fair.  :D
Title: Re: What Happens In Vegas...Affects One's Faking Skills
Post by: bknight on April 04, 2019, 07:45:14 AM
It is obvious you know very little about image analysis.  Additionally you don't include terrain differences in your descriptions, poor you.

"Ignorance is Strength."??  You do have it backwards.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: bknight on April 04, 2019, 07:59:18 AM
And I'll add terrain can change the direction of a shadow to Jay's critique.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Trebor on April 04, 2019, 08:29:37 AM
Radiation was showstopper, venality the motive for the Apollo fraud. Radiation is a complex subject...

Oh, good, there are several people here, myself included, who can speak at length about radiation management in space.  You've offered only vague, handwaving challenges.  Would you care to go into more detail?
...

He is never going to go into any detail.
This is just spam and IMO his many threads should be merged or booted.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: benparry on April 04, 2019, 08:37:19 AM
Is it just me who thinks this is JR Knowing pretending to be someone else !!
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 04, 2019, 08:40:37 AM
Radiation was showstopper, venality the motive for the Apollo fraud. Radiation is a complex subject, and there are many more unknown problems as there are known problems. On the other hand the photography and video record was executed poorly, and is easy pickings.

From the Apollo 16 fraud comes a gem of a bad photo: AS16-109-17800

1) The red lines denote where the standard stagelines between stage and background are apparent.
2) The red circles highlight that the astronaut's left leg is not casting a shadow like his right leg.
3) Laughingly, the rover is casting a shadow in a direction 90 degrees off from that of the direction of the astronaut's shadow, and the shadows of other objects in the photo. The yellow lines denote the direction of shadows, the blue circles the high-gain antenna and its shadow.

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength" I'm weak.

Numerous people have pointed out the error of your ways when you spam expattaffy's channels, many of them are members here. Don't think they don't know that you have had your mistakes pointed out to you.

1) I've pointed out to you when you posted these in youtube comments, using 3D models, that the 'red line' is the edge of a crater.
2) The left leg is casting a shadow, what do you think is casting a shadow over his right foot?
3) As I serendipitously pointed out the other day in a different thread, conspiracy theorists lack the ability to see in 3 dimensions. Your interpretations are wildly and hilariously incorrect.

A bridge is missing you, go back under it.
Title: Re: Let's Play Twister...Light Twister That Is
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 04, 2019, 08:45:10 AM
This guy registered back in October 2018 and waited this long to post his first post.  And he's clearly trolling/spamming.

Fewer people can be bothered with the taffy's Shill Stomper nonsense channels, especially since the main one was taken down for copyright violations. This troll is obviously not getting his attention fix there. He's used these photos there, and is given away by his trite but utterly meaningless aphorisms tagged on to the end of his drivel.

He won't reply, may as well ban him now and save the server space.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: LunarOrbit on April 04, 2019, 09:17:17 AM
Read Think Repeat

Stop spamming the forum with multiple threads about the same topic. There was no need to start several threads about the way the shadows appear in Apollo photographs. This is the only warning you're going to get.

I would also suggest that you slow down and let people respond to your topics before starting new ones. This is for your own good since you are vastly outnumbered here, and you will be swamped with replies.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: bknight on April 04, 2019, 11:23:42 AM
Radiation was showstopper, venality the motive for the Apollo fraud. Radiation is a complex subject, and there are many more unknown problems as there are known problems. On the other hand the photography and video record was executed poorly, and is easy pickings.

From the Apollo 16 fraud comes a gem of a bad photo: AS16-109-17800

1) The red lines denote where the standard stagelines between stage and background are apparent.
2) The red circles highlight that the astronaut's left leg is not casting a shadow like his right leg.
3) Laughingly, the rover is casting a shadow in a direction 90 degrees off from that of the direction of the astronaut's shadow, and the shadows of other objects in the photo. The yellow lines denote the direction of shadows, the blue circles the high-gain antenna and its shadow.

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength" I'm weak.

Numerous people have pointed out the error of your ways when you spam expattaffy's channels, many of them are members here. Don't think they don't know that you have had your mistakes pointed out to you.

1) I've pointed out to you when you posted these in youtube comments, using 3D models, that the 'red line' is the edge of a crater.
2) The left leg is casting a shadow, what do you think is casting a shadow over his right foot?
3) As I serendipitously pointed out the other day in a different thread, conspiracy theorists lack the ability to see in 3 dimensions. Your interpretations are wildly and hilariously incorrect.

A bridge is missing you, go back under it.

I didn't know this was taffy's nonsense, but then I don't keep too close an eye on him.
Title: Re: What Happens In Vegas...Affects One's Faking Skills
Post by: jr Knowing on April 04, 2019, 11:46:51 AM
During the Apollo 12 fraud, the NASA fraudsters' fraudlings (New word! Call Websters!) did a horrible job with compositing photos together near what is supposed to be a crater. All the photos near the bogus crater are of extreme poor quality--AS12-46-6742 is a good representation.

The most glaring of issues with the photos near the fake crater are revealing lighting and a very visible stageline. As bad as that is, it gets worse. In AS12-47-6968 the NASA fraudsters' fraudlings not only failed to obfuscate the stageline, but misaligned a rock and shadow. Oops! Too much of a Vegas weekend can lead to poor work performance on Monday.

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.

Hi RTR, I'd rather not comment on this thread because I would like to see these threads die a quick death since I don't think you have any intention of having a reasonable discourse. (if people here think I am not reasonable, then you have zero chance with your banter so far :)  )  But I would like to say that the two photos above are the only ones you have submitted that might have some validity in your claims. The Apollo 12 magazines have a whole series of photos that appear to be poorly 'constructed' around this crater. But I will save my argument for a more concise, reasoned thread of my own. Anything of value ie worth posting on this thread will get lost in all this 'Apollo, a criminal joke' banter.
Title: Re: What Happens In Vegas...Affects One's Faking Skills
Post by: bknight on April 04, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
During the Apollo 12 fraud, the NASA fraudsters' fraudlings (New word! Call Websters!) did a horrible job with compositing photos together near what is supposed to be a crater. All the photos near the bogus crater are of extreme poor quality--AS12-46-6742 is a good representation.

The most glaring of issues with the photos near the fake crater are revealing lighting and a very visible stageline. As bad as that is, it gets worse. In AS12-47-6968 the NASA fraudsters' fraudlings not only failed to obfuscate the stageline, but misaligned a rock and shadow. Oops! Too much of a Vegas weekend can lead to poor work performance on Monday.

Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.

Hi RTR, I'd rather not comment on this thread because I would like to see these threads die a quick death since I don't think you have any intention of having a reasonable discourse. (if people here think I am not reasonable, then you have zero chance with your banter so far :)  )  But I would like to say that the two photos above are the only ones you have submitted that might have some validity in your claims. The Apollo 12 magazines have a whole series of photos that appear to be poorly 'constructed' around this crater. But I will save my argument for a more concise, reasoned thread of my own. Anything of value ie worth posting on this thread will get lost in all this 'Apollo, a criminal joke' banter.

There is no construction in any of these images.  They are representations of what natural forces produced over billions of years.  BTW these images were presented in fact long before any digital image revisions were thought of, you guys seem to forget this simple fact.  They were presented in analog form before being put on the web.  If you were old enough and had money you could get you hearts content of Apollo images.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: gillianren on April 04, 2019, 12:44:54 PM
You know, I'd gone about 24 hours with no internet, and I was regretting that.  At first.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: bknight on April 04, 2019, 12:51:14 PM
You know, I'd gone about 24 hours with no internet, and I was regretting that.  At first.

You missed the spamming initially.  :)
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: jfb on April 04, 2019, 12:58:50 PM
Radiation was showstopper, venality the motive for the Apollo fraud. Radiation is a complex subject, and there are many more unknown problems as there are known problems. On the other hand the photography and video record was executed poorly, and is easy pickings.

Troll harder.  This is weak sauce.  Cambo and Jr at least put some effort into it.  This is just ... lazy.

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From the Apollo 16 fraud comes a gem of a bad photo: AS16-109-17800

1) The red lines denote where the standard stagelines between stage and background are apparent.

Or the crest of a hill.

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2) The red circles highlight that the astronaut's left leg is not casting a shadow like his right leg.

The bright white suit on the right leg is acting as a reflector, filling in the shadow on the left leg.

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3) Laughingly, the rover is casting a shadow in a direction 90 degrees off from that of the direction of the astronaut's shadow, and the shadows of other objects in the photo. The yellow lines denote the direction of shadows, the blue circles the high-gain antenna and its shadow.

You've heard of "perspective" and "terrain", right?

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Apollo, a criminal joke.

"Ignorance is Strength" I'm weak.

You're something, all right. 
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Mag40 on April 04, 2019, 01:50:53 PM
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1605.0;attach=901;image

I would also point out that this poor observation suggest that the parallel shadows are converging. Perhaps this could be accompanied by the single light source that makes this possible.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Jason Thompson on April 05, 2019, 08:34:04 AM
Radiation was showstopper,

Why bother throwing that in when you clearly have no intention of addressing it. If it was a showstopper, explain how and why.

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Radiation is a complex subject

Yes, it is. How much do you know about it?
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: sts60 on April 05, 2019, 10:12:19 AM
I’ll second Jason’s comments.  You made the assertion that “radiation is a showstopper”.  Why, exactly, do you claim that?  Or have you abandoned that claim?
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: JayUtah on April 05, 2019, 10:16:59 AM
Given that he hasn't acknowledged a single response to any of his posts, I'd say he's abandoned that claim and all the rest of his claims.  And he's very probably met LunarOrbit's definition of spam.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 05, 2019, 12:18:28 PM
If I'm correct, and I'm confident that I am, our new troll is the person who deliberately posted multiple  and pointless replies to comments on taffy's videos in the deluded belief that everyone was getting spammed with notification emails.

He won't reply to any of his threads.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Ranb on April 05, 2019, 10:01:46 PM
Radiation was showstopper, venality the motive for the Apollo fraud.
I've only conversed with two people who thought Apollo was a hoax but were willing to give a number to describe the radiation environment in space between the Earth and the moon.  Maybe you could be the third?

Why was space a show stopper and where do you get your data from?
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Apollo 957 on April 12, 2019, 05:59:09 AM
OP, when challenged on your first photo, you produce a second. Without resolution on the second, you produce a third, and without resolution on that, a fourth.

When will you get to a point of discussing any with some form of resolution?
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: ka9q on April 12, 2019, 06:23:57 AM
There is a simple test for verifying shadow orientations in photographs with a single small-angle light source, like the sun on the lunar surface. Draw a straight line through each object and the shadow it casts, and those lines will all run through the shadow of the camera. (If the camera's shadow is in the picture, of course.)

It's best to do these with small pointy artificial objects some distance above the surface, like the tips of gnomons, rakes and the like where there's less confusion in the object/shadow pairings. It can be tricky with things like rocks and boulders sitting on the surface unless they have very distinctive features.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Bryanpoprobson on April 12, 2019, 01:00:32 PM
OP, when challenged on your first photo, you produce a second. Without resolution on the second, you produce a third, and without resolution on that, a fourth.

When will you get to a point of discussing any with some form of resolution?

He won't discuss anything, he is an avid follower of expattafy1, he posts on youtube under the name of K. Chris Caldwell and trolling is all he is capable of.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: molesworth on April 14, 2019, 09:48:36 AM
He won't discuss anything, he is an avid follower of expattafy1, he posts on youtube under the name of K. Chris Caldwell and trolling is all he is capable of.
A search on his name turns up a lot of conspiracy nonsense, including some very anti-semitic stuff. He also seems to have Flickr account with nothing but stock photos on it...

I'd say he's a somewhat disturbed person with an anti-authoritarian axe to grind, and unlikely to actually debate any of the claims he makes.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: BDL on April 14, 2019, 03:55:06 PM
Looking at all his picture which he presents as “evidence”, all of it is pretty easily explained. He seems have classic case of HowDoShadowsWorkAgainItus. Pretty common among conspiracy theorists.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Bryanpoprobson on May 13, 2019, 05:14:45 PM
When I pointed out (indirectly as I am blocked on the particular channel involved) that the OP has some outstanding posts on here, this is the idiotic reply.

K. Chris Caldwell
​@Shill Stompers I never reply to the Burger King reject whore shills. It'd be a waste of time.

I did post recently at that sight so as to compile a current list of the criminals' current aliases.

I didn't read any of their posts back, but I did see that they all followed the same format as per their training by the US Tyranny. Funny how they all deny being whores, no disrespect to the hard working ladies of the night intended, but all follow the same SOP.

I don't see their posts on YouTube anymore. Seeing their posts got boring, so I muted them all.

The Burger King reject whore shills are just failed psychopathic adults reliving for thirty pieces of silver their days of bullying others on the playground. Can you image having a job where you spend your day writing "I know you are, but what am I?!" and "I'm gonna tell on you!" Sad. Just sad.

Cheers.

NASA. Apollo. Theranos.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.


😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Dalhousie on May 13, 2019, 06:17:42 PM
When I pointed out (indirectly as I am blocked on the particular channel involved) that the OP has some outstanding posts on here, this is the idiotic reply.

K. Chris Caldwell
​@Shill Stompers I never reply to the Burger King reject whore shills. It'd be a waste of time.

I did post recently at that sight so as to compile a current list of the criminals' current aliases.

I didn't read any of their posts back, but I did see that they all followed the same format as per their training by the US Tyranny. Funny how they all deny being whores, no disrespect to the hard working ladies of the night intended, but all follow the same SOP.

I don't see their posts on YouTube anymore. Seeing their posts got boring, so I muted them all.

The Burger King reject whore shills are just failed psychopathic adults reliving for thirty pieces of silver their days of bullying others on the playground. Can you image having a job where you spend your day writing "I know you are, but what am I?!" and "I'm gonna tell on you!" Sad. Just sad.

Cheers.

NASA. Apollo. Theranos.

"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak.


😂😂😂😂

A sad case.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: JayUtah on May 13, 2019, 06:29:22 PM
Someone needs to have his mommy take away his computer.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Glom on May 14, 2019, 09:31:37 AM
At least if he doesn't actually converse then a single reply debunking his claims is job done, time for tea.

His interpretation of shadow directions is pretty laughable. The UHT is clearly not vertical.

And you'd think shadowy conspiracy organisations would be better at shadows. The clue is in the name.

At least he ID's the pictures he uses though.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: gillianren on May 14, 2019, 10:42:21 AM
. . . Why Burger King?

I've talked before about how it's literally impossible to pay me enough to go against my moral values on this issue, and I'm not going to get into gendered language and sex work, but Burger King?
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Bryanpoprobson on May 14, 2019, 04:24:42 PM
. . . Why Burger King?

I've talked before about how it's literally impossible to pay me enough to go against my moral values on this issue, and I'm not going to get into gendered language and sex work, but Burger King?

It was the Burger King quote that identified him. He thinks that us paid shills 😂😂 are rejects from Burger King and MacDonalds and basically unemployable.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Zakalwe on May 14, 2019, 05:36:07 PM
 The dude clearly has some major issues.
I find life to be much more pleasant if you avoid contact with wackos and angry people.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: gillianren on May 15, 2019, 10:07:48 AM
It was the Burger King quote that identified him. He thinks that us paid shills 😂😂 are rejects from Burger King and MacDonalds and basically unemployable.

Okay, that makes some kind of sense.  (Actually, I am unemployable, but that's due to health problems.  And I do get paid for some of my time online, but that's through Patreon for writing articles, and I don't make very much at it.  Certainly not enough for me to go against my beliefs and lie about history!)
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 16, 2019, 02:20:08 AM
He posted here because he's a troll. As he has stated clearly that he has ulterior motives for posting that do not involve defending his position then he can be banned. Unless he wants to grow a spine and have discussion, he had no business here.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: twik on May 16, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
. . . Why Burger King?

I've talked before about how it's literally impossible to pay me enough to go against my moral values on this issue, and I'm not going to get into gendered language and sex work, but Burger King?

It was the Burger King quote that identified him. He thinks that us paid shills 😂😂 are rejects from Burger King and MacDonalds and basically unemployable.

Then, according to Twik's Theory of Troll Projection, he's been fired from Burger King at some point in his life. He's turned into his mind into "I'm too good for them!"

If he were just thinking generic fast food jobs, McDonalds is the typical target.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Bryanpoprobson on May 17, 2019, 05:18:25 AM
He posted here because he's a troll. As he has stated clearly that he has ulterior motives for posting that do not involve defending his position then he can be banned. Unless he wants to grow a spine and have discussion, he had no business here.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: bknight on May 17, 2019, 09:23:34 AM
He posted here because he's a troll. As he has stated clearly that he has ulterior motives for posting that do not involve defending his position then he can be banned. Unless he wants to grow a spine and have discussion, he had no business here.

Absolutely.

I got lost in all the references and three different hoax threads in two different sites, whom is this referring?
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: JayUtah on May 17, 2019, 11:46:04 AM
I assume it refers to Read Think Repeat, the original poster in this thread.  The excerpt seems to be from him posting at YouTube.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: bknight on May 17, 2019, 11:53:35 AM
Ok, thanks for the reminder, I haven't seen that name on any YT but he may go by a different meme.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Bryanpoprobson on May 17, 2019, 04:31:39 PM
He is a YouTuber by the name of, K. Chris Caldwell
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: Obviousman on May 17, 2019, 05:42:12 PM
Also on Facebook; real anti-establishment, everything is a conspiracy type idiot.
Title: Re: Photo Foto Fake
Post by: smartcooky on May 17, 2019, 10:00:49 PM
He is a YouTuber by the name of, K. Chris Caldwell

Oh, that is the guy who has 18 subscribers, and four videos with a total of 21 views across all four...

Did someone say "reach"?