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Title: event in the UK
Post by: benparry on May 09, 2018, 04:33:14 PM
Good evening All

i'm from the UK and regularly search facebook for moon landing issues.

I came across this. is anybody else from the UK and going to this

https://awakeningufo.com/marcus-allen

cheers

Ben
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: nickrulercreator on May 09, 2018, 04:40:06 PM
They should set it up debate style, so we can hear some rational opposition to what this dunce has to say.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: molesworth on May 09, 2018, 04:47:24 PM
Looks like extreme woo overload at this event!

https://awakeningufo.com/file/ms_website/w120/file/2018/02/08/awakening3b_1.jpg

 ::)
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Luke Pemberton on May 09, 2018, 04:51:15 PM
I came across this. Is anybody else from the UK and going to this?

If there are two people that annoy me more, it's Allen and (David) Percy. Their pseudo-science delivered with erudite manner to bamboozle their audience, combined with a veneer of acceptability portrayed through their English tweeness and charm is enough to make my blood boil.

ETA: Costing a princely sum of £150 with travel, refreshment and tickets. I'd rather sit at home with a BBQ and a few beers for about £25.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Luke Pemberton on May 09, 2018, 04:54:15 PM
Looks like extreme woo overload at this event!

To think one of them used to present the snooker and athletics. Go to 1:02.

Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Bryanpoprobson on May 09, 2018, 05:05:43 PM
Good evening All

i'm from the UK and regularly search facebook for moon landing issues.

I came across this. is anybody else from the UK and going to this

https://awakeningufo.com/marcus-allen

cheers

Ben

Tickets at £15, £50 and £100, lucrative business this moon landing denial.

A: I would not line his pockets
B: I have better things to do with my weekends
C: Even if I didn't I, wouldn't do a 384 mile round trip just to be thrown out after 15 minutes, for telling him what I think of him.

Edit: Having a laugh at David Ikes expense may be worthwhile though.  ;D :o
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Luke Pemberton on May 09, 2018, 05:08:15 PM
Tickets at £15, £50 and £100, lucrative business this moon landing denial.

A: I would not line his pockets
B: I have better things to do with my weekends
c: Even if I didn't I, wouldn't do a 384 mile round trip just to be thrown out after 15 minutes, for telling him what I think of him.

^ See above. I was going to write a different version for C, but decided with more sedate words in reply #3. I don't think my alternative words would get past LO. I like being a member of the forum.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Bryanpoprobson on May 09, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
Tickets at £15, £50 and £100, lucrative business this moon landing denial.

A: I would not line his pockets
B: I have better things to do with my weekends
c: Even if I didn't I, wouldn't do a 384 mile round trip just to be thrown out after 15 minutes, for telling him what I think of him.

^ See above. I was going to write a different version for C, but decided with more sedate words in reply #3. I don't think my alternative words would get past LO. I like being a member of the forum.

Ah but you missed my edit, which would justify the trip..  8)
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Luke Pemberton on May 09, 2018, 05:11:53 PM
Mind you, we could set up a crowd fund to send Jason. I'd love to be a fly on the wall to see that. Watching him in action here and CQ with the recent Tim Finch threads, he's like a dog with a bone.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: benparry on May 09, 2018, 05:14:23 PM
haha i'm only a short trip from Manchester but I didn't even look at the ticket prices.

yes your correct the people that would attend wouldn't believe you.

I watched a while ago Marcus allen on a bbc show with Jeremy Clarkson. he showed the pic and asked where the light came from. of course Jeremy didn't know the answer but it was bloody obvious. I reckon even if I didn't know it was reflected light I would have guessed it
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: benparry on May 09, 2018, 05:15:49 PM
bear in mind luke the show is only 2 days lol Jason might need the rest of time to convince marcus
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Luke Pemberton on May 09, 2018, 05:18:24 PM
Ah but you missed my edit, which would justify the trip..  8)

I did just that. However, lining the pockets still dissuades me. Your A, B and C points far outweigh the other benefits. I would not part with a bean for these people.

Does anyone remember the Moon Hoax conference in Italy where Jarrah was guest speaker. If I recall correctly, he did not publish the video because it was 'low quality.' Sure, every other video he's made as a roving reporter has managed to be published. How convenient that the one where 3 people attended his big moon hoax conference managed to be the video that was sub standard.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: bknight on May 09, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
I came across this. Is anybody else from the UK and going to this?

If there are two people that annoy me more, it's Allen and (David) Percy. Their pseudo-science delivered with erudite manner to bamboozle their audience, combined with a veneer of acceptability portrayed through their English tweeness and charm is enough to make my blood boil.

ETA: Costing a princely sum of £150 with travel, refreshment and tickets. I'd rather sit at home with a BBQ and a few beers for about £25.

I too have the same opinion of Allen and Percy.  I have watched Allen's videos on YT and cringe.  If I had the money and disposition, I would have attended to throw a few questions at him when Q & A.  The BBQ and a few beers would do your soul a lot better than to sit and hear the nonsense roll out of his mouth.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: bknight on May 09, 2018, 06:57:31 PM
Good evening All

i'm from the UK and regularly search facebook for moon landing issues.

I came across this. is anybody else from the UK and going to this

https://awakeningufo.com/marcus-allen

cheers

Ben

Tickets at £15, £50 and £100, lucrative business this moon landing denial.

A: I would not line his pockets
B: I have better things to do with my weekends
C: Even if I didn't I, wouldn't do a 384 mile round trip just to be thrown out after 15 minutes, for telling him what I think of him.

Edit: Having a laugh at David Ikes expense may be worthwhile though.  ;D :o

Allen is nothing but a snake oil salesman, peddling his wares to whoever is dumb enough to pay him.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: smartcooky on May 09, 2018, 07:52:19 PM

Tickets at £15, £50 and £100, lucrative business this moon landing denial.

A: I would not line his pockets
B: I have better things to do with my weekends
C: Even if I didn't I, wouldn't do a 384 mile round trip just to be thrown out after 15 minutes, for telling him what I think of him.

Edit: Having a laugh at David Ikes expense may be worthwhile though.  ;D :o

I wouldn't go even if they paid ME the £100!! I value my brain.

Reading some of the utter crap posted here by inconceivable; timfinch, cambo and others of their ilk insults my brain enough, let alone directly exposing it to their kind of Stupid 
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Kiwi on May 10, 2018, 07:53:40 AM
Marcus Allen is a hypocrite. It was only a few years ago that he claimed that some group had changed his mind about the moon-landings. I don't have a link now, but I think it might have been an astronomy group to which he had given a talk. They gave him plenty of evidence that he was wrong and he admitted that he was.

But, I guess, making money is much more important than being honest.

Edited to add: Aha, it was a thread here at ApolloHoax:
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=32.0


Having a laugh at David Ikes expense may be worthwhile though.  ;D :o

Yes. The first time I heard of Icke was when I read the following article which I considered worth keeping:

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New Truth (New Zealand),  Friday 12 April 1991, page 5
NZ doomed!
Ex-Green Party chief warns of devastation and death
Rest of world is going to cop bit of battering too, says new son of God...
   Prepare to meet thy doom!  That's the message Britain's ex-Green Party chief turned prophet has for New Zealand.
   We're just one country singled out by David Icke, the self-styled Son of God.  The former English footballer and BBC sports presenter called a press conference to tell all who would listen that whole countries will disappear in the coming catastrophe, and the world will be rocked by earthquakes, tidal waves, landslides, hurricanes and floods.
   Icke singled out New Zealand for devastation by a tornado and landslides some time before next Christmas.  This may cause some alarm, particularly in the Waikato and Bay of Plenty where about 20 tornadoes and water spouts are recorded each year.  But none have been big enough to cause serious damage since records began 145 years ago!
   Icke claims to get his information from a "high frequency being."  And he says a mystery spirit takes control of his hand when he picks up a pen.
   "I am the conveyer of new truths... a messenger of the great Godhead," he proclaimed.  "l am here to warn the world of pending terrible disasters."
   The ex-Coventry City goalkeeper declared that little evil beings from the star Sirius were to blame for planting a sense of evil in our universe.
   "We have now reached a situation in time when our world is under serious and terrifying threat.  The Godhead itself has become imbalanced," he thundered.
   "The whole of creation could end.  I am here, though, to tell you of these dangers.  And there is still hope.  Please believe, believe in the power of love.  It's mankind's only escape.  If the world cannot find a new and proper balance by the year 1997 then the rest of the universe will have no choice but to cut off planet Earth from the energy system."
   Icke then listed the 32 nightmares destined to devastate the world before Christmas.
   But those of you who feel like rushing outside to build an underground shelter might pause to consider that nobody in Britain is taking Icke seriously.  In fact, at the press conference his own 16-year-old daughter, Kerry, broke into a fit of giggles when her dad predicted disaster.
   And a top psychologist, Jane Fairbank, commented:  "It is so very sad.  He is suffering from deep mental stress.  This often happens to people who have been in the public eye."
32 places to avoid, says Icke
   David Icke predicts a string of disasters are about to rock the world.  He could not give any dates, but New Zealand is listed as one of the places to avoid:
1.  The Shakespeare Cliffs in Kent, England, will be hit by a huge landslide, stopping all work on the Channel Tunnel.
2.  Londonderry, Northern Ireland, will be hit by a hurricane.
3.  The Mull of Kintyre will sink after huge floods.
4.  Tayside is flooded.
5.  Landslides rock the Isle of Arran.
6.  Floods hit the south west coast of Ireland.
7.  A volcano erupts at Mount Rainier, Washington.
8.  Devastating floods in Bangladesh.
9.  Mount Vesuvius erupts in southern Italy, with serious damage to Naples.
10.  Mount Pelee in Martinique blows up, virtually destroying the island.
11.  The Mount Pelee explosion will affect Gulf Stream, causing colder weather in Britain and America.
12.  Major floods in Japan, particularly hitting the city of Nagasaki.
13.  Earthquake rocks Nanking in China.
14.  An earthquake at Wuhan in China, measuring 10 on the Richter scale.
15.  The Arctic circle starts to move south.
16.  Antarctica begins to melt.
17.  Mount Viti Levu in Fiji spews out "the earth's pollution."
18.  A tornado and land slides cause devastation in New Zealand.
19.  A fire destroys Naples cathedral.
20.  Severe floods in Holland.  Amsterdam is badly affected.
21.  Salzburg in Austria hit by an earthquake.
22.  Landslide wrecks Mount Rosa on the Italian/Swiss border.
23.  St Moritz, Switzerland, is destroyed by a landslide.
24.  Mount Etna in Sicily erupts, causing a tidal wave which destroys the island.
25.  Cuba sinks after earthquakes and tidal waves.
26.  An earthquake rocks Mexico.
27.  Mount Fuji all over Japan.
28.  [Missing]
29.  Los Angeles becomes cut off from the rest the American mainland by an earthquake.
30.  Earthquakes hit New York, Las Vegas and the Texas oil fields.
31.  Denmark suffers floods.
32.  Tidal wave swamps Greece and southern Italy.
[Photograph.]
Caption:  Saving the world... Icke (centre) with daughter Kerry (left) and wife Linda.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Kiwi on May 10, 2018, 09:37:53 AM
A link to the article about Marcus Allen and the The British Interplanetary Society is now dead, so the following typescript is here for future reference.

Meeting details:
Speaker: Marcus Allen (Nexus Magazine) and Jerry Stone (BIS)
Date: 4th April 2012
Start Time: 6:30 pm
End Time: 8:30 pm

Venue: British Interplanetary Society, 27/29 South Lambeth Road, Vauxhall, London, SW8 1SZ

Quote
Spaceflight magazine Vol 54 No 06, June 2012, page 237
Marcus Allen faces Jerry Stone - and joins the BIS!
   For more than six months, members of the BIS at home and abroad waited with mixed expectations for a discussion of claimed anomalies in Apollo Lunar surface photography, made by Marcus Allen, Editor of Nexus magazine, a popular international debating organ for conspiracy theories and unconventional topics. Mr Allen was invited to present a talk to discuss the issues involved.
   Many BIS Members and Fellows challenged the need for the Society to hold such a debate, not a few seeing it as pandering to the 'fringe' conspiracy groups supporting the notion that humans never landed on the moon. A waste of time, well, those expecting a fiery confrontation with noted sceptic Marcus Allen were confounded, for it did not turn out that way at all. It turned out that Marcus Allen and the BIS learned more than they expected.
   Marcus Allen braved the potentially hostile reception on 4 April when he presented his assertion that some of the photographs were posed in a 'studio' setting to provide immaculate and stunning images that he believed could not have been taken on the Lunar surface. The room was full as the presentations began, Marcus Allen going first with his presentation and supposedly supporting 'evidence' followed by a rebuttal from Jerry Stone, each getting 45 minutes of uninterrupted time under the chairmanship of BIS Council Member Colin Philp.
   The most impressive aspect to this fascinating evening was the dignity of the audience, the respect for personal opinion displayed by those present, and by the extended interchange where Apollo veterans in the audience contributed in a knowledgeable way. When asked by Spaceflight Editor David Baker to define the precise position he takes, Marcus Allen asserted that he does not challenge the fact that Apollo astronauts landed on the moon. This is contradictory to his published position and the view he takes on radio and TV interviews. But he says he does have issues with the pictures and that was clearly the purpose of his talk, and this aspect quickly became the focal point of discussion.
   With clarification coming from Jerry Stone, and additional factual information provided by professional photographer Colin Philp, it was clear that Marcus Allen was getting information from the BIS audience that he had not received from anyone before. Several times he admitted that the evening was, for him, a learning curve and toward that end it proved valuable for the BIS to realise how little conspiracy theorists know about the science and engineering of Apollo missions. In a relaxed and frank debate, several members challenged his views and a calm and dignified dialogue ensued.
   With strong backup from Keith Wright, a British participant in the Apollo programme, the BIS was able to answer each and every aspect of the photography challenged by Mr Allen. In fact, in closing, he thanked his audience and said that he had never had such a comprehensive and convincing set of rebuttals from any group he had ever spoken to. He openly admitted that this one evening had done a great deal to lie to rest several misgivings he had previously held. In return, the BIS learned a lot too that it would perhaps not have understood had the event not taken place. That rather than being diehard zealots, many who have misgivings about the Apollo landings are ignorant of the facts simply because they have been unable to access explanations in an understandable form.
   In the best possible expression of what the BIS stands for, this evening debate helped demolish myths previously believed by Marcus Allen and enabled all those present to receive a first class lesson in how to counter these assertions in a logical and dignified manner. And the best bit of all? Marcus Allen has joined the BIS!

Photo caption:
Jerry Stone presents a cogent and informed rebuttal to assertions by Marcus Allen that there were certain unexplained anomalies in Apollo photography. BIS

Photo caption:
Colin Philp (left) presents Marcus Allen with a memento of his talk, an evening shared with Jerry Stone speaking for the BIS. BIS
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: bknight on May 10, 2018, 10:45:55 AM
Given that no one here is going to attend, we'll have to wait until some one publishes the talk on YT.  My guess, that he will trot out the same BS as in previous presentations.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: gillianren on May 10, 2018, 12:57:14 PM
Today might be one of the days when I can see Mount Rainier.  (From where I live, it depends on the weather and what part of town I'm in!)  Still hasn't erupted, though it's going to be an enormous problem when it does.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Geordie on May 10, 2018, 09:53:52 PM
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15.  The Arctic circle starts to move south.
I love this one.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Jason Thompson on May 11, 2018, 03:39:32 AM
Mind you, we could set up a crowd fund to send Jason. I'd love to be a fly on the wall to see that. Watching him in action here and CQ with the recent Tim Finch threads, he's like a dog with a bone.

Nice idea, but save your money. When I'm at home on a comfy chair with a cup of tea and some biscuits handy, and can do something else between posts I'm tenacious. Stick me in a room with these idiots for a couple of hours and I'll start throwing things...
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: benparry on May 11, 2018, 03:52:16 AM
Mind you, we could set up a crowd fund to send Jason. I'd love to be a fly on the wall to see that. Watching him in action here and CQ with the recent Tim Finch threads, he's like a dog with a bone.

Nice idea, but save your money. When I'm at home on a comfy chair with a cup of tea and some biscuits handy, and can do something else between posts I'm tenacious. Stick me in a room with these idiots for a couple of hours and I'll start throwing things...


well insults i would hope Jason lol
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Jason Thompson on May 11, 2018, 06:15:05 AM
well insults i would hope Jason lol

Well I would certainly start by asking him why, a few years ago, he made a statement that after a very informative discussion with the BIS he realised how erroneous his claims were yet is now promoting the same old rubbish, if not to fleece the people in the room out of their money and see where that goes.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: benparry on May 11, 2018, 07:16:07 AM
well insults i would hope Jason lol

Well I would certainly start by asking him why, a few years ago, he made a statement that after a very informative discussion with the BIS he realised how erroneous his claims were yet is now promoting the same old rubbish, if not to fleece the people in the room out of their money and see where that goes.

yeah i saw that above. i'm sure the people that go to these events dont mind having their money taken as they want to hear this crap.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Kiwi on May 11, 2018, 10:54:55 AM
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15.  The Arctic circle starts to move south.
I love this one.

I wish there was still time for you to edit that as follows:

From Quote from: Kiwi on...

To Quote from: David Icke on...

It really hurts to have Icke's quote in my name.  :( ;D ;D
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Luke Pemberton on May 11, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
Stick me in a room with these idiots for a couple of hours and I'll start throwing things...

Save my money? That sounds like money well spent.  ;)
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Geordie on May 12, 2018, 02:27:55 AM
Quote
15.  The Arctic circle starts to move south.
I love this one.

I wish there was still time for you to edit that as follows:

From Quote from: Kiwi on...

To Quote from: David Icke on...

It really hurts to have Icke's quote in my name.  :( ;D ;D
It won't happen again (and the pain will subside in time,) and thanks for quoting that entire article. Another highlight was the description of Icke's daughter having a laugh at his expense.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: MartinC on September 06, 2018, 12:10:33 PM
Given that no one here is going to attend, we'll have to wait until some one publishes the talk on YT.  My guess, that he will trot out the same BS as in previous presentations.

I regret to say that it is now available on YT, all 90 minutes of it. Allen appears to have added  some extra "material" including claiming that NASA has removed some Apollo imagery from the Johnson Space Centre as a result of his investigations and appearing now to also question the Gemini programme on the basis the he can't comprehend that a beacon antenna could be deployed after re-entry (Gemini 6 photo). His wrap-up includes a thanks to his reference sources - Percy, Bennett, Kaysing and White - I don't think I need to say anything more!


Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 06, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Given that no one here is going to attend, we'll have to wait until some one publishes the talk on YT.  My guess, that he will trot out the same BS as in previous presentations.

I regret to say that it is now available on YT, all 90 minutes of it. Allen appears to have added  some extra "material" including claiming that NASA has removed some Apollo imagery from the Johnson Space Centre as a result of his investigations and appearing now to also question the Gemini programme on the basis the he can't comprehend that a beacon antenna could be deployed after re-entry (Gemini 6 photo). His wrap-up includes a thanks to his reference sources - Percy, Bennett, Kaysing and White - I don't think I need to say anything more!



As this is the basis for expattaffy's latest crock I have seen more of this than is healthy and it's chock full of gems.

There's the claim that no astronomer has been able to tell him where the terminator should be during the Apollo 17 landing. There's his claim that you have to have a viewfinder on a camera in order to use a polarising filter. He shows that Apollo 8 Earthrise image, then asks how they could take it from inside the lunar module. Later on he shows the Blue Marble image and claims it's the only image of Earth he could find - despite having already shown the Apollo 8 Earthrise and two shots of Earth from the lunar surface in Apollo 11. He says it's impossible to take the Apollo 17 photo where the Earth is at the end of the flag.  He claims that a photo of Armstrong in the LM was taken using a flash and that red-eye is caused by the flash being too close to the lens.

It goes on and on on - it's a full house on the conspiracy bingo card with a howler every few minutes (the LRO took its photo of Apollo 12 from 30 feet), right down to claiming that all the moon rocks were stolen and he has one right there with him. Oh, and let's not forget that Copernicus crater was not caused by an impact but electrical discharge caused by the passage of Venus nearby (no really, there's evidence for this).

Throw stuff at him, just make sure it's nothing valuable - he's not worth it.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: raven on September 06, 2018, 02:40:58 PM
The stupid, it burns us, it does! :o
"He shows that Apollo 8 Earthrise image, then asks how they could take it from inside the lunar module."
Just . . . so much wrong with that!
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: bknight on September 06, 2018, 03:25:03 PM
I knew that the snake oil salesman "Marcus" would revert again to the money making Moon hoax BS.  He is so predictable. 

Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: MartinC on September 06, 2018, 04:20:37 PM
Whilst I wasn't expecting much else from Allen, that presentation really has got me irritated. Whilst I can understand that due to the complex nature of aerospace engineering and spaceflight operations the layperson can inadvertently misinterpret information, Allen appears to deliberately misrepresent detail and simply make stuff up. To me that's fraud.

On a positive note, I still have a couple of chapters of my latest purchase "Live TV from the Moon" to read. I will bury myself in that. It's an excellent book, a nice balance of technical detail and historic record.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 06, 2018, 04:26:02 PM
Whilst I wasn't expecting much else from Allen, that presentation really has got me irritated. Whilst I can understand that due to the complex nature of aerospace engineering and spaceflight operations the layperson can inadvertently misinterpret information, Allen appears to deliberately misrepresent detail and simply make stuff up. To me that's fraud.


His presentations are full of wide eyed "who me?" JAQ-ing off. He makes bald assertions in such a reasonable way that surely only a fool could disagree with him, or someone who knows more than he does or is prepared to find out. I didn't know what the thing attached to Gemini VI was - until I googled what it was likely to be, right down to looking in the mission transcripts to see if it is mentioned (it is).
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: ajv on September 06, 2018, 08:11:45 PM
On a positive note, I still have a couple of chapters of my latest purchase "Live TV from the Moon" to read.
Where did you get it? I missed buying it when it initially came out and now it seems to be out of print. I have the Skylab book and I've backed the Skylab movie but it would be nice to get hold of the Moon book.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: benparry on September 07, 2018, 05:08:23 AM
Not too long ago while on Facebook I came across the page of the company who actually hosted the entire event. I sent them a messenger message asking if they were aware Marcus admitted to being wrong at the BIS. I received no reply.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: Al Johnston on September 07, 2018, 07:54:17 AM
"red-eye is caused by the flash being too close to the lens."

Purely by accident, I'm sure, but one actual fact, albeit not applicable in this case, appears to have slipped into his screed...
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: dwight on September 07, 2018, 08:01:54 AM
Hi everyone, sorry to be somewhat off the radar. As you may have gathered from ajv, I’m working on the final adjustments to Searching for Skylab, which is the movie he graciously helped via our crowdfunding.

Regarding “Live TV from the Moon”, I am afraid it is out of print. I am hoping to get a reprint for the Apollo 11 50th anniversary. If you send a query email Apogee book’s way, it will help show there is support for a reprint.

Martin: thank you so much for the kind words regarding Live TV from the Moon. It means alot to see people appreciating the work I put into it.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 07, 2018, 08:06:42 AM
"red-eye is caused by the flash being too close to the lens."

Purely by accident, I'm sure, but one actual fact, albeit not applicable in this case, appears to have slipped into his screed...

That is indeed a potential cause, but not always. It's caused by the subject looking directly at the flash, which is more likely if they are close together. He is stating it as an absolute, which isn't true. They lighting in the image he examines is totally impossible to have been done using flash photography (in my opinion!).
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: MartinC on September 07, 2018, 08:57:51 AM

Martin: thank you so much for the kind words regarding Live TV from the Moon. It means alot to see people appreciating the work I put into it.

My pleasure. I had no idea that you were a member of these forums, although perhaps the picture of the Field Sequential Color Converter in your profile is a clue (assuming I've correctly identified it  :D)
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: bknight on September 07, 2018, 12:58:09 PM
Not too long ago while on Facebook I came across the page of the company who actually hosted the entire event. I sent them a messenger message asking if they were aware Marcus admitted to being wrong at the BIS. I received no reply.


While I support your efforts to expose Mr. Allen, the company most likely receives a per click bit of revenue and will have no plans to take it down.  FB won't police fake news as it has other problems to deal with currently.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: benparry on September 08, 2018, 08:17:32 AM
Ah ok. TBH I really have no interest in exposing him the people who went to see him wanted the hear what he said and so had no issue in paying money. People hear what they want to and those people will never believe the landings were real
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 09, 2018, 01:05:39 PM
Another 'oops' moment from Allen. About an hour in he shows 2 Apollo 17 images (one of which isn't identified) and asks 'How come the LM is in this one but not this one?'.

Unfortunately for him, it is, I found the image:

(https://i.imgur.com/87RNb5a.jpg)

It's even referenced in the ALSJ:

Quote
AS17-146-22387 (OF300) ( 81k or 745k )
167:07:20 Station 8 pan. LRV. The large crater at the right hand side of the image is SWP. Cochise Crater extends leftward from the central fiducial with Shakespeare Crater behind the right hand half of Cochise. Journal Contributor Bob Fry notes that, as shown in a detail, the LM can be seen just above the reseau cross to the left of the central cross. Van Serg Crater is also visible.

Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: BDL on September 09, 2018, 04:38:13 PM
Another 'oops' moment from Allen. About an hour in he shows 2 Apollo 17 images (one of which isn't identified) and asks 'How come the LM is in this one but not this one?'.

Unfortunately for him, it is, I found the image:

(https://i.imgur.com/87RNb5a.jpg)

It's even referenced in the ALSJ:

Quote
AS17-146-22387 (OF300) ( 81k or 745k )
167:07:20 Station 8 pan. LRV. The large crater at the right hand side of the image is SWP. Cochise Crater extends leftward from the central fiducial with Shakespeare Crater behind the right hand half of Cochise. Journal Contributor Bob Fry notes that, as shown in a detail, the LM can be seen just above the reseau cross to the left of the central cross. Van Serg Crater is also visible.

Just wondering, how far is he from the Lunar Module? And is the lower half of the LM hidden by the uneven terrain?
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: raven on September 09, 2018, 06:58:05 PM
Also, even if it wasn't visible, so bloody what?  I can take a picture within feet of my apartment building that doesn't show it . . . by pointing it in in the right direction.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: bknight on September 09, 2018, 10:37:37 PM
Another 'oops' moment from Allen. About an hour in he shows 2 Apollo 17 images (one of which isn't identified) and asks 'How come the LM is in this one but not this one?'.

Unfortunately for him, it is, I found the image:

(https://i.imgur.com/87RNb5a.jpg)

It's even referenced in the ALSJ:

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AS17-146-22387 (OF300) ( 81k or 745k )
167:07:20 Station 8 pan. LRV. The large crater at the right hand side of the image is SWP. Cochise Crater extends leftward from the central fiducial with Shakespeare Crater behind the right hand half of Cochise. Journal Contributor Bob Fry notes that, as shown in a detail, the LM can be seen just above the reseau cross to the left of the central cross. Van Serg Crater is also visible.

Just wondering, how far is he from the Lunar Module? And is the lower half of the LM hidden by the uneven terrain?

Yes IIRC there was perhaps 30 M of elevation in some of the images, this would completely hid the LM, only 7 M high.  But Allen won't tell you that, just that it is faked because he can't see the LM.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: BDL on September 09, 2018, 11:21:33 PM
Another 'oops' moment from Allen. About an hour in he shows 2 Apollo 17 images (one of which isn't identified) and asks 'How come the LM is in this one but not this one?'.

Unfortunately for him, it is, I found the image:

(https://i.imgur.com/87RNb5a.jpg)

It's even referenced in the ALSJ:

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AS17-146-22387 (OF300) ( 81k or 745k )
167:07:20 Station 8 pan. LRV. The large crater at the right hand side of the image is SWP. Cochise Crater extends leftward from the central fiducial with Shakespeare Crater behind the right hand half of Cochise. Journal Contributor Bob Fry notes that, as shown in a detail, the LM can be seen just above the reseau cross to the left of the central cross. Van Serg Crater is also visible.

Just wondering, how far is he from the Lunar Module? And is the lower half of the LM hidden by the uneven terrain?

Yes IIRC there was perhaps 30 M of elevation in some of the images, this would completely hid the LM, only 7 M high.  But Allen won't tell you that, just that it is faked because he can't see the LM.

Yeah, that’s about what I expected. Thanks.
I wonder what it is with people not understanding how these concepts work.
After all, it seems pretty obvious that the distance from the cameraman to the LM, and the uneven ground would’ve obscured the view of the LM at least a bit.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: onebigmonkey on September 10, 2018, 08:57:06 AM
Just wondering, how far is he from the Lunar Module? And is the lower half of the LM hidden by the uneven terrain?

About 4 km :)

It would not have been difficult to take a photo with the LM completely obscured by the undulating terrain.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: bknight on September 10, 2018, 11:14:07 AM
Just wondering, how far is he from the Lunar Module? And is the lower half of the LM hidden by the uneven terrain?

About 4 km :)

It would not have been difficult to take a photo with the LM completely obscured by the undulating terrain.

Debunks the "flat" terrain belief of many of the HB's for sure.
Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: BertieSlack on September 10, 2018, 04:22:36 PM
Just wondering, how far is he from the Lunar Module? And is the lower half of the LM hidden by the uneven terrain?

About 4 km :)

It would not have been difficult to take a photo with the LM completely obscured by the undulating terrain.

This isn't the first time Allen has made a total clown of himself over the visibility of the LM in Apollo 17 photos. Here's a great video from Astrobrant2 that he made several years ago:

Title: Re: event in the UK
Post by: bknight on September 10, 2018, 07:12:45 PM
Just wondering, how far is he from the Lunar Module? And is the lower half of the LM hidden by the uneven terrain?

About 4 km :)

It would not have been difficult to take a photo with the LM completely obscured by the undulating terrain.

This isn't the first time Allen has made a total clown of himself over the visibility of the LM in Apollo 17 photos. Here's a great video from Astrobrant2 that he made several years ago:



That was the video I referenced with my IIRC.  Alas I didn't, only 20 M difference but still sufficient to hide the 7 M LM even though Mr. Allen called it "quite tall".  Great video, thanks Bertie