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Apollo Discussions => The Hoax Theory => Topic started by: RAF on February 26, 2012, 10:25:30 AM

Title: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: RAF on February 26, 2012, 10:25:30 AM
I posted on JREF regarding the sockpuppetry of Patrick1000/fatfreddy. I received a PM from a mod saying that they took sockpuppetry very seriously, and they had found no evidence that Patrick100/fatfreddy were the same person.


Is there one or two posts where Patricks sockpuppetry can be demonstrated?

Thanks....
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: LunarOrbit on February 26, 2012, 11:01:59 AM
The only thing we really have to go on is the similarity of the claims he makes using these multiple identities.

The problem is that he uses proxy servers, so his IP address is different every time he creates a new identity. It makes it difficult to determine if it is really him, or just someone who happens to agree with him. I know it's hard to believe that it's even possible for anyone to agree with him, but I need to be reasonably certain it's him before I'll ban him.

So my point is that I can sort of understand the reluctance other forum moderators feel when it comes to declaring someone a sock puppet. It comes down to judging whether the posting styles are similar enough or not, and that isn't easy. I've already made the mistake of banning someone who I thought was a sock puppet simply because of the way they quoted Fattydash, and it's not the kind of mistake I want to make again.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: RAF on February 26, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
I see...I was under the impression that there was something more "concrete" than  just opinion....my error....
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: sts60 on February 26, 2012, 11:45:56 AM
No, he's definitely the same poster, and people have been pointing this out freely on the moderated thread.  But it's irrelevant because he's only posted under one handle on JREF.  I don't think sock-puppetry on other forums counts.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: RAF on February 26, 2012, 12:15:33 PM
That's what the dispute was about....he has posted as both Patrick1000, and fatfreddy on the JREF.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: carpediem on February 26, 2012, 12:34:45 PM
I posted on JREF regarding the sockpuppetry of Patrick1000/fatfreddy. I received a PM from a mod saying that they took sockpuppetry very seriously, and they had found no evidence that Patrick100/fatfreddy were the same person.


Is there one or two posts where Patricks sockpuppetry can be demonstrated?

Thanks....
Fatfreddy is clearly "cosmic" Dave. Looking at his posts you can see that Patrick is nothing like him.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: sts60 on February 26, 2012, 02:25:57 PM
That's what the dispute was about....he has posted as both Patrick1000, and fatfreddy on the JREF.
Sorry, I screwed up.  I was thinking of fattydash, not FatFreddy88 (aka, DavidC, rocky, etc.)

No, I am quite sure FF88 and Patrick1000/fattydash/etc. are not the same poster.  The former is a full-fledged crackpot, but really seems to believe his paranoid fantasy.  The latter is simply a troll who craves attention from grown-ups. 
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: RAF on February 26, 2012, 06:30:02 PM
Sorry, I screwed up.  I was thinking of fattydash, not FatFreddy88 (aka, DavidC, rocky, etc.)

Oh, crap...that's exactly what I did...no wonder I was so confused.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: twik on February 27, 2012, 10:30:24 AM
Yes, I got a little confused between fattydash and FatFreddy88 at first, but I think the "feel" of them is different (plus, I believe FF88 has been around JREF for some time).

I don't think Patrick is a troll in the sense that he is making things up *solely* for attention. I think he likes the fantasy of being a top investigator/doctor/bicyclist/what's next, and if he knows, deep down, that he's not one, he tells himself he's "as good as they are, even if I don't have the degree". His ego is such that he really believes that he has found proof of fraud, even if he knows he plays fast and loose with his evidence and credentials. It's fascinating, and a little sad.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: twik on February 27, 2012, 10:31:03 AM
Yes, I got a little confused between fattydash and FatFreddy88 at first, but I think the "feel" of them is different (plus, I believe FF88 has been around JREF for some time).

I don't think Patrick is a troll in the sense that he is making things up *solely* to annoy the grownups. I think he likes the fantasy of being a top investigator/doctor/bicyclist/what's next, and if he knows, deep down, that he's not one, he tells himself he's "as good as they are, even if I don't have the degree". His ego is such that he really believes that he has found proof of fraud, even if he knows he plays fast and loose with his evidence and credentials. It's fascinating, and a little sad.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: twik on February 27, 2012, 10:31:42 AM
Ack, how do you delete double posts?
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: gillianren on February 27, 2012, 01:51:41 PM
You can't; post-deleting has been disabled, for some reason . . . .
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: ineluki on March 23, 2012, 09:21:01 AM
It's fascinating, and a little sad.

And it's over, fatpatty  managed to get banned.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: scooter on March 23, 2012, 09:42:47 AM
A very educational thread...too bad Patrick didn't choose to benefit from any of it.

He did link to a youtube video, which sure appears to have been made by him. I watched it just the other day, talk about an angry kid! He certainly isn't a doctor, nor any other profession, and really has serious anger issues.

It's obvious he is way too smart to have anyone try to teach him anything...  :(  But, again, a very educational thread over there.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: Mr Gorsky on March 23, 2012, 12:09:49 PM
You can't; post-deleting has been disabled, for some reason . . . .

Wonder why ... :D
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: twik on March 26, 2012, 09:28:18 AM
It appears that Patrick, on his banning at JREF, tore off to register a sock at BAUT (complete with claims of medical expertise, and too much detail), and was quickly dispatched.

Promoting the hoax theory appears to be some sort of obsession for him. It's a shame, because he seems to be much more scientifically literate than many hoax proponents, but even though he has the tools at hand, he refuses to use them.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: Echnaton on March 26, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
Obsession is a key word here.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: Tedward on March 26, 2012, 10:19:48 AM
What did he do? Had a quick look see but it was a link to a members only section?
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: JayUtah on March 26, 2012, 11:48:25 AM
Promoting the hoax theory appears to be some sort of obsession for him.

No, I think for him it's about getting attention.  He has posted on a number of topics, all of which he's equally misinformed about.  I smell a profound inferiority complex.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: Nowhere Man on March 26, 2012, 12:16:43 PM
Claimed to be an ear/nose/throat doctor, (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/129818-I-really-do-believe-we-are-on-to-something) and claimed that there was no cure for Meniere's disease, which is what got Alan Shepard grounded.  Shepard was treated successfully and flew on Apollo 14.

Fred
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: sts60 on March 26, 2012, 12:27:18 PM
What did he do? Had a quick look see but it was a link to a members only section?
Apparently threatened JREF with legal action, but no further details are available.  Even so, I'm certain that it was just as empty as his threats against Apollo astronauts and engineers - just an angry, childish person ranting away in anonymity.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: AtomicDog on March 26, 2012, 02:26:08 PM
There are plenty of woowoo sites that would love to have him as a member.  Why does he seem to infest only serious sites?
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: raven on March 26, 2012, 07:56:18 PM
Because there he is just one of the crowd, but here he gets attention.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: Abaddon on March 26, 2012, 10:40:19 PM
There are plenty of woowoo sites that would love to have him as a member.  Why does he seem to infest only serious sites?
You wouldn't expect  other woo sites to disagree. He prefers venues where he can provoke.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: twik on March 27, 2012, 10:31:18 AM
I think, also, on woo sites, Patrick would simply be one of a crowd. People wouldn't argue with him because they are more interested in arguing *their* theories.

One can imagine him going "Lick Observatory! I've cracked the case - here, look!" and everyone else on the board going, "Ummm, too complicated, don't understand the numbers, and besides, here's MY proof that the Moon is an orbiting space turtle, and that the astronauts couldn't have landed because they couldn't get through its invisible shell."
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: Glom on March 27, 2012, 12:34:34 PM
Claimed to be an ear/nose/throat doctor, (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/129818-I-really-do-believe-we-are-on-to-something) and claimed that there was no cure for Meniere's disease, which is what got Alan Shepard grounded.  Shepard was treated successfully and flew on Apollo 14.

Fred

And as I mentioned, that makes no sense in the context of a conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: JayUtah on March 27, 2012, 12:56:49 PM
That's because the exercise is not, "I have evidence that Apollo was faked."  The exercise is, "I'm going to show you how much smarter I am than you."
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: slang on March 27, 2012, 02:25:30 PM
He's not doing the exercise very well, is he? :)
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: Nowhere Man on March 27, 2012, 08:55:11 PM
Neither exercise, as a matter of fact.  All he's demonstrated is his stamina when it comes to typing walls of text.

Fred
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: Glom on March 28, 2012, 02:06:38 AM
What is weird is people who really are so sad as to think they're being smart by spending their time just trying annoy people like us.

On another forum, a troll dropped in to insult a poster as sad for posting pictures of a skyscraper under construction. Then he proceeds to spam a page of obscene posts. Who's the sad one?
Title: Re: Evidence of sockpuppetry
Post by: Tedward on March 28, 2012, 02:24:23 AM
What did he do? Had a quick look see but it was a link to a members only section?
Apparently threatened JREF with legal action, but no further details are available.  Even so, I'm certain that it was just as empty as his threats against Apollo astronauts and engineers - just an angry, childish person ranting away in anonymity.

Thanks. I should sign up for jref.