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Apollo Discussions => The Hoax Theory => Topic started by: HyperOreo on March 12, 2018, 01:17:57 AM

Title: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: HyperOreo on March 12, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
I registered on this site to have some fun debates, but after carousing through the threads there don't appear to be any hoaxers around.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: chuckey_69 on March 12, 2018, 02:02:10 AM
they have all been banned for making compelling arguments that the regulars could not debunk.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: raven on March 12, 2018, 03:16:10 AM
I registered on this site to have some fun debates, but after carousing through the threads there don't appear to be any hoaxers around.
The 'heyday' of the Apollo Hoax conspiracy theory is over, and most, most that is (see above), that remain know to keep their echo chambers where they can control the conversation, like Youtube, where not only can they delete comments and ban user, but they can also make false DMCA take down claims to get debunking videos and whole accounts deleted.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: smartcooky on March 12, 2018, 06:25:51 AM
they have all been banned for making compelling arguments that the regulars could not debunk.

Compelling argument that Apollo was hoaxed? Sound like an oxymoron... with the emphasis on "moron".
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: bknight on March 12, 2018, 08:45:20 AM
they have all been banned for making compelling arguments that the regulars could not debunk.

All of the ones that have been banned since my joining is due to socks, subjects that are beyond reasonability (Holocaust for example) or inappropriate posts.

If you believe otherwise show us your RESEARCH.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: Zakalwe on March 12, 2018, 09:57:36 AM
they have all been banned for making compelling arguments that the regulars could not debunk.

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Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: gillianren on March 12, 2018, 12:33:48 PM
I also honestly believe hoax belief itself is fading.  I read a book about conspiracism a few years ago that didn't even mention it.  And it wasn't just the age of the conspiracy, either, because there was a bit about anti-Stratfordianism, which is a wee bit older . . . and has similar levels of evidence, of course.  But Derek Jacobi is an anti-Stratfordian, and Ed Asner's a Truther, and Jim Carrey's an anti-vaxxer.  You'll even hear the occasional flat Earth garbage.  Who can you name who's an HB?  I grant you that there's more to a conspiracy than "celebrities believe in it," but it may be true that not having a celebrity who believes in it is a sign that a conspiracy is on its way out.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: LunarOrbit on March 12, 2018, 12:42:45 PM
they have all been banned for making compelling arguments that the regulars could not debunk.

For example...?
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: jfb on March 12, 2018, 03:02:17 PM
Web sites dedicated to the Apollo hoax are for the old and unhip.  The real action is on YouTube.

My God, YouTube.  The most incoherent, batshit crazy HB on this site is like William Effing Buckley compared to the HBs on YouTube. 

Also, the Apollo missions are on the cusp of fading from living memory.  The youngest people who can realistically claim to remember seeing the Apollo landings live on TV are in their 50s.  Half of the Apollo astronauts are dead, the rest are in their 80s.  Same for the most ardent Apollo hoax proponents. 

There are so many new CTs to choose from these days - 9/11, chemtrails, NWO, vaccines, child sex slaves on Mars, etc., that hoax claims about Apollo are a bit passé.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: AtomicDog on March 12, 2018, 08:00:15 PM
they have all been banned for making compelling arguments that the regulars could not debunk.

You registered three years ago and this is your first post? How about introducing yourself?
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: chuckey_69 on March 12, 2018, 10:53:28 PM
For example...?


Challenge accepted.

The "Compelling" works of DakDak and Margamatrix (Not sure if thats to correct spelling and wasnt he/she from to old forum)

these two come to mind. Both banned (At least DakDak is on this forum). Along with others they provided me with hours of entertainment.
 
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: LunarOrbit on March 12, 2018, 11:46:45 PM
For example...?


Challenge accepted.

The "Compelling" works of DakDak and Margamatrix (Not sure if thats to correct spelling and wasnt he/she from to old forum)

these two come to mind. Both banned (At least DakDak is on this forum). Along with others they provided me with hours of entertainment.
 

Margamatix was banned for posting graphic images of someone that had been executed in an electric chair. That was not just a violation of this forums internal rules, but also a violation of the ProBoards Terms of Service that we were required to abide by at the time. Had I not banned him, ProBoards could have shut down the forum. He then repeated his offense by using a sock puppet account to post images of Saddam Hussein after his execution.

Margamatix was not interested in discussing the Apollo hoax theory. He simply wanted to push the limits of my tolerance so that he could brag to his friends that I banned him.

Source: http://apollohoax.proboards.com/post/37313/thread (http://apollohoax.proboards.com/post/37313/thread)

DAKDAK was banned for deleting all of his posts, which I consider vandalism because it changes the context of the topics he participated in. So let me be clear: he deleted his posts and then ran away like a coward. I did not censor him. I wish I could tell you something about the substance of his arguments, but considering he didn't want people to read his posts I can only assume he was embarrassed by how badly he failed.

Source: http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=109.msg3096#msg3096 (http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=109.msg3096#msg3096)

So I'm sorry if I spoiled your hours of entertainment, but this forum has standards that those two losers couldn't meet.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: smartcooky on March 13, 2018, 12:16:45 AM
they have all been banned for making compelling arguments that the regulars could not debunk.

You registered three years ago and this is your first post? How about introducing yourself?


Sleeper account.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: chuckey_69 on March 13, 2018, 01:27:31 AM
For example...?


Challenge accepted.

The "Compelling" works of DakDak and Margamatrix (Not sure if thats to correct spelling and wasnt he/she from to old forum)

these two come to mind. Both banned (At least DakDak is on this forum). Along with others they provided me with hours of entertainment.
 

Margamatix was banned for posting graphic images of someone that had been executed in an electric chair. That was not just a violation of this forums internal rules, but also a violation of the ProBoards Terms of Service that we were required to abide by at the time. Had I not banned him, ProBoards could have shut down the forum. He then repeated his offense by using a sock puppet account to post images of Saddam Hussein after his execution.

Margamatix was not interested in discussing the Apollo hoax theory. He simply wanted to push the limits of my tolerance so that he could brag to his friends that I banned him.

Source: http://apollohoax.proboards.com/post/37313/thread (http://apollohoax.proboards.com/post/37313/thread)

DAKDAK was banned for deleting all of his posts, which I consider vandalism because it changes the context of the topics he participated in. So let me be clear: he deleted his posts and then ran away like a coward. I did not censor him. I wish I could tell you something about the substance of his arguments, but considering he didn't want people to read his posts I can only assume he was embarrassed by how badly he failed.

Source: http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=109.msg3096#msg3096 (http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=109.msg3096#msg3096)

So I'm sorry if I spoiled your hours of entertainment, but this forum has standards that those two losers couldn't meet.



Ok, My bad I had forgotten about the obscenities posted by Margamatix. I certainly don't condone that sort of posting and is highly offensive. Unfortunately for me he was one that stood out from memory, I think I know why now.

As a long time lurker of this forum, I can assure you that I have not seen and doubt that there will ever be a “compelling” argument put forward regarding any moon landing hoax. Pure and simple because if for whatever reason you had to fake a moon landing you would not, could not, fake it the way it was done. Perhaps not at all.

Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: Zakalwe on March 13, 2018, 04:39:26 AM

The "Compelling" works of DakDak

DakDak's posts were only compelling in one aspect- they were an admirable demonstration of what happens when someone fails in education and then relies on YouTube to form their worldviews.

Along with others they provided me with hours of entertainment.
I don't doubt that. They were the mental equivalent of rubber-necking a car-crash or looking at a dumpster fire. I felt sorry for DakDak as his worldview was so wacky and so easily shattered that his inevitable implosion was guaranteed. It may have provided "entertainment", but as far as adding anything to the world's corpus of knowledge then they were sadly lacking.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: Count Zero on March 13, 2018, 10:28:31 AM
As a long time lurker of this forum, I can assure you that I have not seen and doubt that there will ever be a “compelling” argument put forward regarding any moon landing hoax. Pure and simple because if for whatever reason you had to fake a moon landing you would not, could not, fake it the way it was done. Perhaps not at all.

In the absence of HBs, that's an interesting topic:  What would a REAL hoax look like?  We had a thread about it a while back.  Among the features were no TV, few photographs, no wide-spread distribution of samples, classified engineering, to name a few.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: nweber on March 13, 2018, 11:48:30 AM
But Derek Jacobi is an anti-Stratfordian

Hah!  I didn't know that.  I guess he wasn't allowed to ad-lib on the point in Kenneth Branagh's film version of Henry V.  Or if he did, it hit the cutting room floor.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: JayUtah on March 13, 2018, 12:28:01 PM
Ok, My bad I had forgotten about the obscenities posted by Margamatix. I certainly don't condone that sort of posting and is highly offensive. Unfortunately for me he was one that stood out from memory, I think I know why now.

Yeah, those two are not shining examples of how to make an argument that proves a point.  One of many problems we have in this style of open, informal public debate is that a lot of contributors clearly have agendas that have nothing to do with the question at hand.  They just want to achieve a certain performance.  So frequently we see "suicide by mod[erator]," which means that a poster will deliberately commit some irrelevant but bannable offense and say they were "banned for their beliefs."  Questions like the authenticity of the Moon landings, the assassination of JFK, 9/11 building collapses, and so forth seem to be mostly proxy questions for a deeper debate.  And the motivations arising out of the deeper debate are what often provoke more of what we see in terms of the day-to-day debate.

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As a long time lurker of this forum, I can assure you that I have not seen and doubt that there will ever be a “compelling” argument put forward regarding any moon landing hoax.

I'm glad you said "compelling" the way you did, because we find that a fair number of people are compelled by some of the pro-hoax arguments.  If you're willing to lie, cherry-pick, speculate, mislead, and frame, you can make a persuasive argument for almost anything.  But I'm on fairly solid ground, I think, when I say that we won't have an argument for faked Apollo missions that is both compelling and objectively valid.  Those are two different goals and different standards of proof.  Outside the very small echo chambers of the dedicated conspiracy theorists, there is just no legitimate controversy over whether Apollo was real.

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Pure and simple because if for whatever reason you had to fake a moon landing you would not, could not, fake it the way it was done. Perhaps not at all.

The record we have today of Apollo is vast, far larger than any of the hoax theorists contemplate.  So I agree that it would be prohibitively expensive and difficult to fake that record.  But let's say we wanted to fake a manned mission to Mars within the next 15 years.  Would we be able to do it convincingly?
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: gillianren on March 13, 2018, 12:46:07 PM
But Derek Jacobi is an anti-Stratfordian

Hah!  I didn't know that.  I guess he wasn't allowed to ad-lib on the point in Kenneth Branagh's film version of Henry V.  Or if he did, it hit the cutting room floor.


I've seen him talk in a few documentaries, and yeah, it's awkward.  I think he's an Oxonian, but I don't remember.

The record we have today of Apollo is vast, far larger than any of the hoax theorists contemplate.  So I agree that it would be prohibitively expensive and difficult to fake that record.  But let's say we wanted to fake a manned mission to Mars within the next 15 years.  Would we be able to do it convincingly?

Honestly?  I don't think so, no.  While the technology for doing so is better, it still isn't there.  It will also suffer from the same sort of problems as hypothetical aliens--we've gotten too used to documenting everything.  We know what it looks like, and we know what to expect.  A faked Mars landing would also come with the expectations of NASA for generations.  You'd have to assume YouTube videos from astronauts en route, for example.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: smartcooky on March 13, 2018, 03:21:44 PM
As a long time lurker of this forum, I can assure you that I have not seen and doubt that there will ever be a “compelling” argument put forward regarding any moon landing hoax. Pure and simple because if for whatever reason you had to fake a moon landing you would not, could not, fake it the way it was done. Perhaps not at all.

In the absence of HBs, that's an interesting topic:  What would a REAL hoax look like?  We had a thread about it a while back.  Among the features were no TV, few photographs, no wide-spread distribution of samples, classified engineering, to name a few.

The narrative for how the Apollo programme was accomplished is established. It is established in the extensive engineering, all of which is publicly available, including engineering drawings, schematics and written accounts of testing. It is established in the still photographs and films and  live TV broadcast all over the world. It is established in the science, the lunar samples, and the rocketry. It is established in the Lunar Surface Journals, a detailed timeline of crew activities. It is established in the fact that everything in the narrative is self-consistent; nothing conflicts with any other thing within the narrative. Finally, there were the sheer number of people (about half a million)  involved world wide from many different nationalities.   

I think we have all tried over the years to get HBs to tell us how the Apollo Missions were faked; to give us a narrative of exactly how it was all done. None of them, to my knowledge, has ever attempted to do so. They have sometimes tried to claim how parts of it might have been done, but they often conflicted with other HB's ideas on how other parts might have been done, and in any case, they have all been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked.

The Apollo missions were not faked, for the simple reason that there was no need to do so. They could not have been faked because it was scientifically, technologically and cinematographically impossible to have done so.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: chuckey_69 on March 13, 2018, 10:56:11 PM


The record we have today of Apollo is vast, far larger than any of the hoax theorists contemplate.  So I agree that it would be prohibitively expensive and difficult to fake that record.  But let's say we wanted to fake a manned mission to Mars within the next 15 years.  Would we be able to do it convincingly?

I agree with Gillianren on this one. I couldn’t imagine how hard it would be to convincingly fake a Mars landing, about as hard as it would be to actually go there id guess. Though it does sound like a good idea for a "compelling" B grade movie….


Sadly though I don’t believe we are much closer to landing people on Mars then we were back in 1969 especially if the goal is to return them safely to the earth. While SpaceX has been exciting on many different levels they are still miles off, NASA are billions of dollars off (Possibly trillions). I would love to see it in my life time but I’ll settle for a manned circum-mars fly by.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: Geordie on March 14, 2018, 03:22:15 PM
But let's say we wanted to fake a manned mission to Mars within the next 15 years.  Would we be able to do it convincingly?
Mission name: Capricorn II
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: benparry on March 15, 2018, 08:12:58 AM
I spend a bit of time on facebook and there are a few groups on there proporting the hoax. i have been a member of a few but left because my head hurt. i am now a member of a few which proport the landing.

same as youtube really you can say what you want from a computer screen.

i have actually asked a few questions here put to me from the facebook groups. even though i gave them answers which would more than satisfy open minded people i was still wrong lol

believing in the moon landing hoax in my opinion is plain and simply a psychological issue.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: gillianren on March 15, 2018, 12:37:34 PM
believing in the moon landing hoax in my opinion is plain and simply a psychological issue.

No.  It isn't.  It can be, but there are as many reasons for believing in a hoax as there are for any other form of conspiracism.  Going back to Derek Jacobi--it's easier to brush his off, because it's a small and old conspiracy, but his belief that someone else wrote Shakespeare's plays is not a psychological issue.  He believes what he believes for whatever reason, but it's not proof of mental illness, which I assume is what you meant.  Some conspiracists are mentally ill--I could name names but won't because I don't believe in armchair diagnoses for the most part.  Others are in it for the cash.  Some like having a sense of superiority over the Sheeple.  Some simply haven't been presented with conflicting evidence and learn more and change their minds.  There is no "plain and simply" to conspiracism--or, come to that, to psychological issues.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: benparry on March 15, 2018, 03:50:31 PM
what I should have said was those who believe because they want to.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: gillianren on March 16, 2018, 12:06:50 PM
It's still not true.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: benparry on March 16, 2018, 01:39:32 PM
you clearly haven't debated with the people I have. Pascal Xavier (as many people on here will tell you) believes because he wants to.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: jfb on March 16, 2018, 05:48:53 PM
you clearly haven't debated with the people I have. Pascal Xavier (as many people on here will tell you) believes because he wants to.

And other people believe because that's what they've been told to believe and have no urge to question. 

And other people believe because they think that's what the evidence really shows.

Yes, there are people who believe "because they want to believe", but that's not exclusive. 
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: benparry on March 17, 2018, 05:53:28 AM
no absolutely not but I am yet to come across anybody who has changed their mind in the face of immense evidence. agreed I am debating in MOON HOAX forums on facebook so these people have already made their mind up so maybe my cross section of people isn't evened out.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: Bryanpoprobson on March 17, 2018, 06:49:39 AM
no absolutely not but I am yet to come across anybody who has changed their mind in the face of immense evidence. agreed I am debating in MOON HOAX forums on facebook so these people have already made their mind up so maybe my cross section of people isn't evened out.

There have been a number of hoax believers that have changed their minds. But there is another devious group who really are just trolls. You argue them to a standstill and they have no reasonable retort, so they run away. Next thing they are on another forum with a different name spouting the same old rubbish arguments that they could not defend.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: gillianren on March 17, 2018, 11:42:41 AM
you clearly haven't debated with the people I have. Pascal Xavier (as many people on here will tell you) believes because he wants to.

Look, I have been involved in these discussions for more than ten years.  I am also mentally ill.  What I am telling you is that "they have a psychological problem" is a vast oversimplification of people's reasons.  Bart Sibrel, for one, was in my opinion clearly doing it for the money, much good it did him.  One or two, I have believed to have been schizophrenic.  I believe the DSM-5 has declared extreme conspiracism to be a mental illness, but it has to impact more of your life than just discussions on YouTube and Facebook; it has to have a severe detriment to your life in general.  Most of the conspiracists I've encountered over the years just want to feel important.  If that's a psychological problem, it's an awfully common one.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: benparry on March 17, 2018, 04:50:12 PM
I think I have explained myself badly here. what I meant was people who believe because they want to and being trolls purposely have something wrong with them. why on earth would they do it. to feel important. well to me that is an issue with their mind. of course people are snake oil salesman and again that isn't psychological. I just meant that there are people who are daft and try to feel important.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: LunarOrbit on March 17, 2018, 04:59:02 PM
Most of the conspiracists I've encountered over the years just want to feel important.  If that's a psychological problem, it's an awfully common one.

It can even get you elected President of the United States.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: benparry on March 17, 2018, 05:15:26 PM
lol
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: smartcooky on March 18, 2018, 12:36:51 AM
The record we have today of Apollo is vast, far larger than any of the hoax theorists contemplate.  So I agree that it would be prohibitively expensive and difficult to fake that record.  But let's say we wanted to fake a manned mission to Mars within the next 15 years.  Would we be able to do it convincingly?

Well, we already have some relatively recent examples, at least, of how the Mars video side might be faked.

1. Mission to Mars. A terrible Mars sci-fi movie with turgid dialog and a far-fetched but nonetheless interesting take on the Cydonia "Face on Mars" rubbish. However, it had some good effects, and IMO, its sole redeeming feature was the Zero G dancing scene, the main reason being that they danced to Van Halen's "Dance the Night Away".... Awesome!

2. National Geographic's MARS A better effort, badly let down by having the astronaut actors interact with each other in exactly the way that astronauts don't, and having the astronauts doing really dangerous, stupid and risky things that no astronaut would ever, ever  do. Too much licence taken with the science for dramatic effect.

3. The Martian The best of the three, most of the science was realistic with the one glaring exception (the dust storm) on which the whole premise was based. The CGI was excellent, and astronauts acted like real astronauts.

All three however, fail on a single important aspect.... gravity. Even today, 50 years after Apollo, it still seems impossible to film live action actors walking and operating in low gravity. Mars' gravity is just over 1/3 that of Earth. Although people working on Mars would be doing so in a little more than twice the gravity of the Moon, as they walked, worked and carried out tasks on Mars, they would still look more like what astronauts on the moon looked like, than what they would when filmed in the 1G of Earth's gravity.

Gravity is going to be the dead-giveaway of a fake
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: HyperOreo on March 22, 2018, 05:38:50 AM
Can somebody tell me how to reply to a specific person's post? I'm too stupid to figure it out.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: bknight on March 22, 2018, 08:35:07 AM
Can somebody tell me how to reply to a specific person's post? I'm too stupid to figure it out.

Look at the top right of the post you are referring and select quote.  If you want to go to that person then send a Private Memo
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: Count Zero on March 23, 2018, 07:01:39 PM
All three however, fail on a single important aspect.... gravity. Even today, 50 years after Apollo, it still seems impossible to film live action actors walking and operating in low gravity. Mars' gravity is just over 1/3 that of Earth. Although people working on Mars would be doing so in a little more than twice the gravity of the Moon, as they walked, worked and carried out tasks on Mars, they would still look more like what astronauts on the moon looked like, than what they would when filmed in the 1G of Earth's gravity.

A point that is always overlooked (for example, in 2001: A Space Odyssey) is that people will use the same gravitationally-altered walking gait indoors as well as out on EVA.  Hollywood isn't the only one to make this mistake.  A long time ago I saw a prototype moonbase module at Marshall Space Center.  The ceiling was too low and had lots of unpadded protrusions.  o.O
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: Glom on March 25, 2018, 08:58:31 AM
Wasn't DakDak a young earth creationist? One stage of his meltdown was a rant about how ungodly this all was.
The record we have today of Apollo is vast, far larger than any of the hoax theorists contemplate.  So I agree that it would be prohibitively expensive and difficult to fake that record.  But let's say we wanted to fake a manned mission to Mars within the next 15 years.  Would we be able to do it convincingly?

Well, we already have some relatively recent examples, at least, of how the Mars video side might be faked.

1. Mission to Mars. A terrible Mars sci-fi movie with turgid dialog and a far-fetched but nonetheless interesting take on the Cydonia "Face on Mars" rubbish. However, it had some good effects, and IMO, its sole redeeming feature was the Zero G dancing scene, the main reason being that they danced to Van Halen's "Dance the Night Away".... Awesome!

2. National Geographic's MARS A better effort, badly let down by having the astronaut actors interact with each other in exactly the way that astronauts don't, and having the astronauts doing really dangerous, stupid and risky things that no astronaut would ever, ever  do. Too much licence taken with the science for dramatic effect.

3. The Martian The best of the three, most of the science was realistic with the one glaring exception (the dust storm) on which the whole premise was based. The CGI was excellent, and astronauts acted like real astronauts.

All three however, fail on a single important aspect.... gravity. Even today, 50 years after Apollo, it still seems impossible to film live action actors walking and operating in low gravity. Mars' gravity is just over 1/3 that of Earth. Although people working on Mars would be doing so in a little more than twice the gravity of the Moon, as they walked, worked and carried out tasks on Mars, they would still look more like what astronauts on the moon looked like, than what they would when filmed in the 1G of Earth's gravity.

Gravity is going to be the dead-giveaway of a fake
The most realistic fictional depiction of the Moon's surface is in Super Mario Odyssey. The gravity is light, there are no stars in the daylight sky and the dog wears a space helmet. I'm not sure about the chapel though.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: raven on March 25, 2018, 04:17:25 PM
I saw 'The Martian' recently, and I liked it, I cried at the end, just like on Apollo 13, though I didn't like some of the changes they made. That said, there was occasional moments of lesser gravity . . . which made all the moments there wasn't stand out all the more.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: sts60 on March 25, 2018, 06:36:45 PM
They generally just ignored the Mars gravity issue, which was for the best.  The only thing that annoyed me about the movie was Hollywoodizing the rescue, in which they carefully develop the plan, only to have the commander throw it out and do her own thing.  That’s way harder for me to suspend disbelief on than the gravity.

As for the sandstorm, Weir admitted it was, well, stretching the physics.  But he needed a device to start the story.

I admit I laughed at the part where Watney is monologging about the hazards should the RTG release its fuel.  Anything that would spill the PuO2 would leave him in no condition to worry about anything.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: raven on March 25, 2018, 07:02:51 PM
They generally just ignored the Mars gravity issue, which was for the best.  The only thing that annoyed me about the movie was Hollywoodizing the rescue, in which they carefully develop the plan, only to have the commander throw it out and do her own thing.  That’s way harder for me to suspend disbelief on than the gravity.

As for the sandstorm, Weir admitted it was, well, stretching the physics.  But he needed a device to start the story.

I admit I laughed at the part where Watney is monologging about the hazards should the RTG release its fuel.  Anything that would spill the PuO2 would leave him in no condition to worry about anything.
Yeah, those things tend to be built tough, for exactly these reasons.  Apollo 13 had a small RTG that was meant to power a long term lunar experiment. Naturally, it never was placed, and ended up re-entering the atmosphere with Aquarius. From what I understand, it would mostly likely survive re-entry and its landing into the ocean in a deep trench after in, if not in working order, at least in a contained state. The dangers of short term exposure to overpressure oxygen was also exaggerated.
Title: Re: Where Are The Hoaxers?
Post by: nomuse on March 28, 2018, 10:19:53 AM
Which means the giant squid now have a way to plug in their television?