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Title: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: apollo16uvc on February 05, 2017, 01:07:15 PM
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Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: darren r on February 05, 2017, 01:51:34 PM
Are you arguing for this, or against?
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: apollo16uvc on February 05, 2017, 03:41:47 PM
Are you arguing for this, or against?
Should I answer you, NASA sockpuppet?

Also you haven't tried to explain any of the pictures I posted, I guess because you can't?
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Glom on February 05, 2017, 04:11:17 PM
That first one in particular has to be a joke.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: LunarOrbit on February 05, 2017, 04:46:34 PM
Are you arguing for this, or against?
Should I answer you, NASA sockpuppet?

Also you haven't tried to explain any of the pictures I posted, I guess because you can't?
I'm going to warn you right now before you even get into a discussion: no name calling or accusations against members of the forum will be tolerated.

Darren's question was fair. Answer it.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: apollo16uvc on February 05, 2017, 04:50:47 PM
That first one in particular has to be a joke.
It is used a lot to show that NASA lies.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Flookie on February 05, 2017, 05:26:16 PM
It is used a lot to show that NASA lies.

Which doesn't answer Darren's question: are you arguing for or against?
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: darren r on February 05, 2017, 05:27:08 PM
Were all those pictures taken with the same sort of camera, from the same distance, under the same lighting conditions, at the same time of year, from the same position in space?
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: apollo16uvc on February 05, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
Were all those pictures taken with the same sort of camera, from the same distance, under the same lighting conditions, at the same time of year, from the same position in space?
Nobody knows.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: apollo16uvc on February 05, 2017, 06:03:05 PM
It is used a lot to show that NASA lies.

Which doesn't answer Darren's question: are you arguing for or against?
I am speaking up for the truth.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: LunarOrbit on February 05, 2017, 06:12:35 PM
It is used a lot to show that NASA lies.

Which doesn't answer Darren's question: are you arguing for or against?
I am speaking up for the truth.
You're either trolling or you're horribly misinformed. Which is it?
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: apollo16uvc on February 05, 2017, 07:46:29 PM
It is used a lot to show that NASA lies.

Which doesn't answer Darren's question: are you arguing for or against?
I am speaking up for the truth.
You're either trolling or you're horribly misinformed. Which is it?
What about satire?
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: LunarOrbit on February 05, 2017, 07:50:39 PM
I'd classify that as trolling. We're interested in having serious discussions here, so if someone comes here and takes a stance on a particular topic we are going to assume they are serious.

Coming here with satirical motives when we are in the mindset of having a real discussion is not going to go over very well.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: bknight on February 05, 2017, 10:25:46 PM
I'll say that the images are a weak attempt to show differences, largely due to cloud cover.  The two Go-Pro  images are far from conclusive.
The Earth is roughly spheroid in shape.  This can be proved by observing ships approaching.  The ships appear from the top down as they get closer to the observer.
Quit blaming NASA as man has know that the Earth isn't flat for centuries.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: smartcooky on February 06, 2017, 02:06:16 AM
I have been to Antarctica in the middle of the southern summer. I have seen the sun skim the horizon through a full 360° without ever setting.

This cannot be reconciled with a flat earth.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: smartcooky on February 06, 2017, 02:41:00 AM
Quit blaming NASA....
The majority of earth orbiting cameras from which we see photos of globe earth actually don't have anything to do with NASA. They come from privately owned satellites and satellites owned by governments all over the world., e.g.

GeoEye: American owned by Digital Globe
SPOT: French, owned by CNES (Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales) – the French space agency
RapidEye: German, developed by Kayser-Threde GmbH and financed mostly by Vereinigte Hagelversicherung, a German agricultural insurance provider. 
Meteostat: Run by EUMETSAT (European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological Satellites), an intergovernmental agency involving 30 European Union countries, and based in Darmstadt, Germany based in 

just to mention a few.

Many of those satellites weren't even launched by NASA. Unfortunately, members of the "blame NASA" species of nutjob are too stupid to understand this.

... man has know that the Earth isn't flat for centuries.

Yes, many centuries.... over 20 of them!!

Pythagoras of Samos first mooted that the earth was spherical around 540 BC

Aristotle of Stagira proved it around 330BC

Eratosthenes of Cyrene measured its circumference in 255BC.

Aristarchus of Samos was the first person to show that the Sun was the centre of the solar system, not the earth. That was around 230BC, something that, despite the teachings of the Church and of Ptolemy, the Persian poet Omar Kayyam (who was greatly interested in mathematics, and astronomy) understood clearly. He even mentioned it in is famous "Rubaiyat"

v48
"For in and out, above, about, below,
‘Tis nothing but a Magic Shadow-show,
Play’d in a Box whose Candle is the Sun,
Round which we Phantom Figures come and go."



Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Glom on February 06, 2017, 03:23:27 AM



Meteostat: Run by EUMETSAT (European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological Satellites), an intergovernmental agency involving 30 European Union countries, and based in Darmstadt, Germany based in 

Impressive given there are only 28 countries in the EU.

I don't get flat Earth. Young Earth creationism at least is driven by a need to be consistent with scripture, but why does the Earth need to be flat? That doesn't even agree with observation.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Zakalwe on February 06, 2017, 03:52:36 AM
The OP is trolling. He must have had a heavy weekend on the beer/bong/crackpipe*  ;D
You cant go from this, his first post:
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1264.msg40785#msg40785

to this
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1266.msg40855#msg40855
unless recreational chemicals or a hard head injury has occurred.
 ;)


*Delete as applicable
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: apollo16uvc on February 06, 2017, 04:30:56 AM
I'll say that the images are a weak attempt to show differences, largely due to cloud cover.  The two Go-Pro  images are far from conclusive.
The Earth is roughly spheroid in shape.  This can be proved by observing ships approaching.  The ships appear from the top down as they get closer to the observer.
Quit blaming NASA as man has know that the Earth isn't flat for centuries.
Have you actually done any research on the images, or do you just accept anything written in an image as fact?
The two Go-Pro images are not made with Go-Pro's. The person who made that image with the text lied. But its used to make a point about space images being manipulated anyway.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: smartcooky on February 06, 2017, 06:00:27 AM



Meteostat: Run by EUMETSAT (European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological Satellites), an intergovernmental agency involving 30 European Union countries, and based in Darmstadt, Germany. 

Impressive given there are only 28 countries in the EU.

The other two countries are Turkey and Switzerland which, while they are not members of the EU, are memebr states in the EUMETSAT conglomerate.

http://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/AboutUs/WhoWeAre/MemberStates/index.html
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: bknight on February 06, 2017, 12:16:27 PM
I'll say that the images are a weak attempt to show differences, largely due to cloud cover.  The two Go-Pro  images are far from conclusive.
The Earth is roughly spheroid in shape.  This can be proved by observing ships approaching.  The ships appear from the top down as they get closer to the observer.
Quit blaming NASA as man has know that the Earth isn't flat for centuries.
Have you actually done any research on the images, or do you just accept anything written in an image as fact?

What research might be made concerning a globe spinning and taking images at different times in the day/year and with different cloud cover.  How do you reconcile the differences?  That NASA is "lying"?  For what purpose would NASA be lying, this is a very naïve observation and question.
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The two Go-Pro images are not made with Go-Pro's. The person who made that image with the text lied. But its used to make a point about space images being manipulated anyway.

Everything you posted has been lied about don't you see the difference?
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: bknight on February 06, 2017, 12:56:50 PM
Further, apollo16uvc,  have you done any research on the images in the OP?
If so present the "evidence" you have determined that prove the propositions in the OP instead of asking others what research has been conducted in confirming science understanding.

I am thinking you are a troll, making posts for the purpose of eliciting responses.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Halcyon Dayz, FCD on February 06, 2017, 03:59:37 PM
RapidEye: German, developed by Kayser-Threde GmbH and financed mostly by Vereinigte Hagelversicherung, a German agricultural insurance provider. 
Hagelversicherung means hail insurance, btw.  Guess they can now check claims without leaving the office.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: ka9q on February 06, 2017, 04:24:03 PM
Regarding the "Go Pro" images, I have been involved in several high altitude balloon flights at a local high school and I'm always cautioning the students who see our videos (which are stunning, IMHO) that you are not seeing the actual curvature of the earth but the distortion of the lens. They usually understand this quickly when I point out that the shape of the horizon changes rapidly between concave and convex as the camera swings under the balloon.

The earth is certainly spherical-ish, but even 30 km altitude is too low to for that curvature to be obvious to an inexpensive camera.

But our balloons certainly do demonstrate the earth's size and shape in other ways, particularly by how far their line-of-sight VHF tracking signals propagate as altitude changes.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: ka9q on February 06, 2017, 04:30:35 PM
I have been to Antarctica in the middle of the southern summer. I have seen the sun skim the horizon through a full 360° without ever setting.
Plus the fact that you saw the sun appear to circle you from right to left, while observers in the northern arctic during its summer see it circle from left to right.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: molesworth on February 06, 2017, 06:07:27 PM
...
Pythagoras of Samos first mooted that the earth was spherical around 540 BC
...
I think Pythagoras may have been the first to put it in writing (that we know of) but the idea goes back further than that.

Greek and Phoenician navigators, and possibly the Minoans too, used a very basic form of celestial navigation, and observing the changes in the height of the celestial pole, and visibility of other stars with changing latitude, pointed very strongly to a round earth.  Seeing distant lands or ships appear over the horizon provided more evidence.

I'm not sure what the point of this claim by apollo16uvc is, but a few random images aren't enough to even start a discussion about the shape of the earth...
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: smartcooky on February 06, 2017, 09:32:18 PM
I have been to Antarctica in the middle of the southern summer. I have seen the sun skim the horizon through a full 360° without ever setting.
Plus the fact that you saw the sun appear to circle you from right to left, while observers in the northern arctic during its summer see it circle from left to right.


Correct, and a fact that is utterly irreconcilable with ANY flat earth theory.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: LunarOrbit on February 06, 2017, 09:54:53 PM
I'll say that the images are a weak attempt to show differences, largely due to cloud cover.  The two Go-Pro  images are far from conclusive.
The Earth is roughly spheroid in shape.  This can be proved by observing ships approaching.  The ships appear from the top down as they get closer to the observer.
Quit blaming NASA as man has know that the Earth isn't flat for centuries.
Have you actually done any research on the images, or do you just accept anything written in an image as fact?
The two Go-Pro images are not made with Go-Pro's. The person who made that image with the text lied. But its used to make a point about space images being manipulated anyway.
I would like you to watch this video:



How do you explain the examples of how the curvature of the Earth has been demonstrated, such as the helicopter that appears to descend below the surface of the lake while still remaining airborne?
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: smartcooky on February 06, 2017, 09:57:21 PM
...
Pythagoras of Samos first mooted that the earth was spherical around 540 BC
...
I think Pythagoras may have been the first to put it in writing (that we know of) but the idea goes back further than that.

Greek and Phoenician navigators, and possibly the Minoans too, used a very basic form of celestial navigation, and observing the changes in the height of the celestial pole, and visibility of other stars with changing latitude, pointed very strongly to a round earth.  Seeing distant lands or ships appear over the horizon provided more evidence.

I'm not sure what the point of this claim by apollo16uvc is, but a few random images aren't enough to even start a discussion about the shape of the earth...

Which just goes to show that even your average Minoan navigator was way smarter than any flat earther.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Glom on February 07, 2017, 03:06:55 AM
I have been to Antarctica in the middle of the southern summer. I have seen the sun skim the horizon through a full 360° without ever setting.
Plus the fact that you saw the sun appear to circle you from right to left, while observers in the northern arctic during its summer see it circle from left to right.


Correct, and a fact that is utterly irreconcilable with ANY flat earth theory.
That is why flat earthing is so utterly befuddling. Young Earth creationism or geocentrism at least doesn't require such an utter cognitive dissonance. To dimiss what is blatently in front of your own eyes requires a special level of self deceit. And for what? Is the Bible that specific about the shape of the Earth?
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: AtomicDog on February 07, 2017, 05:04:08 AM
Why is there never any video of the earth spinning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory#Animations

Looks like video to me.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: tikkitakki on February 07, 2017, 10:30:06 PM



Meteostat: Run by EUMETSAT (European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological Satellites), an intergovernmental agency involving 30 European Union countries, and based in Darmstadt, Germany. 

Impressive given there are only 28 countries in the EU.

The other two countries are Turkey and Switzerland which, while they are not members of the EU, are memebr states in the EUMETSAT conglomerate.

http://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/AboutUs/WhoWeAre/MemberStates/index.html (http://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/AboutUs/WhoWeAre/MemberStates/index.html)


The other two non-EU countries in EUMETSAT are Iceland and Norway.
I'll leave it as an exercise to find out which EU countries are not EUMETSAT members. (Hint: they are Mediterranean islands.)
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Glom on February 08, 2017, 02:47:55 AM
Cyprus and Malta, which also happen to be the other two Commonwealth members in the EU.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Flookie on February 08, 2017, 07:15:03 PM
Why is there never any video of the earth spinning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory#Animations

Looks like video to me.

I had someone protesting there wasn't live feed from any satellite so we could see the Earth turning rather than a series of stills; when it was pointed out to him the rotation would be too slow to see on a live-feed he suggested it be speeded up.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: grmcdorman on February 08, 2017, 09:36:44 PM
Why is there never any video of the earth spinning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory#Animations

Looks like video to me.

I had someone protesting there wasn't live feed from any satellite so we could see the Earth turning rather than a series of stills; when it was pointed out to him the rotation would be too slow to see on a live-feed he suggested it be speeded up.

On top of that, there has been live video, copious amounts of it, from the ISS.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: AtomicDog on February 09, 2017, 07:47:26 AM
All video is a series of stills.
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: smartcooky on February 09, 2017, 01:37:48 PM
Why is there never any video of the earth spinning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory#Animations

Looks like video to me.

I had someone protesting there wasn't live feed from any satellite so we could see the Earth turning rather than a series of stills; when it was pointed out to him the rotation would be too slow to see on a live-feed he suggested it be speeded up.

Hah, that's funny, that's very funny!

Ask him which he would like speeded up, the Live feed or the Earth's rotation?
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Flookie on February 10, 2017, 05:53:22 PM
Ask him which he would like speeded up, the Live feed or the Earth's rotation?

The live feed by recording it.  :o
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Bryanpoprobson on March 01, 2017, 02:51:38 AM
Flat Earth Eclipse photo.  :o

(http://i68.tinypic.com/r6ybsl.jpg)
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: smartcooky on March 01, 2017, 04:28:39 AM
Flat Earth Eclipse photo.  :o

(http://i68.tinypic.com/r6ybsl.jpg)


FTFY!!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98915197/ApolloHoax/FE-eclipse.png)

Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Bryanpoprobson on March 01, 2017, 05:03:34 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Al Johnston on March 01, 2017, 11:28:40 AM
Flat Earth Eclipse photo.  :o

(http://i68.tinypic.com/r6ybsl.jpg)


FTFY!!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98915197/ApolloHoax/FE-eclipse.png)



You missed out the Elephants! :D
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: Nowhere Man on March 01, 2017, 01:29:44 PM
And the rest of the turtles!  It's turtles all the way down, young man!

Fred
Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: smartcooky on March 01, 2017, 03:54:50 PM
Flat Earth Eclipse photo.  :o

(http://i68.tinypic.com/r6ybsl.jpg)


FTFY!!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98915197/ApolloHoax/FE-eclipse.png)



You missed out the Elephants! :D


The elephants are to the left of, and below, the turtle (as depicted here), so their shadows don't fall on the moon.

You and I both know that shadows do weird things on the moon  :) 8)

Title: Re: The Earth is actually flat!
Post by: twik on March 04, 2017, 07:10:54 AM
This is why I love this board.