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Apollo Discussions => The Hoax Theory => Topic started by: nweber on October 25, 2018, 05:13:47 AM
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I see you people have been busy with the cover up.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7512409/us-airman-who-claimed-he-saw-top-secret-nasa-photos-of-alien-structures-on-the-moon-dies-in-horror-bike-accident/
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Well, it's in The Sun so it must be true.... :o ::)
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So he made the claims in 2001 and died in 2018 to keep him quiet. Makes sense !!! ::) ::)
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So he made the claims in 2001 and died in 2018 to keep him quiet. Makes sense !!! ::) ::)
No one said you people were good at this sort of thing!
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Here are the facts of the matter:
He made it up.
Any questions?
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There have been many of these alien structures comments ever since the first images were produced from the Lunar surface. They appear to be just as false as the hoax claims.
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Here are the facts of the matter:
He made it up.
Any questions?
Just what someone involved in a cover up would say.
But how do we know he made it up? His claim was that when he was a technician fixing some equipment, someone told him there were structures on the moon, and they had photographs, which they showed to him. How do we know someone didn't actually tell him this, and show him some pictures of N'Djamena? Could have happened.
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Yes, and I could have won the lottery this week. You need more evidence than a mere "could have happened."
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Yes, and I could have won the lottery this week. You need more evidence than a mere "could have happened."
Exactly and there is no evidence except "he said"
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Yes, and I could have won the lottery this week. You need more evidence than a mere "could have happened."
You seem a little bit confused.
When onebigmonkey says "He made it up", it's not incumbent on me to prove him/her wrong; it's incumbent on him/her to prove that it's correct.
If I say that onebigmonkey is wrong, and assert that this fellow didn't make up his story (perhaps this is too subtle for you, but you might notice that I did not make any such claim), then I'll provide evidence.
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Yes, and I could have won the lottery this week. You need more evidence than a mere "could have happened."
Exactly and there is no evidence except "he said"
Have a look at what I just posted.
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Yes, and I could have won the lottery this week. You need more evidence than a mere "could have happened."
You seem a little bit confused.
When onebigmonkey says "He made it up", it's not incumbent on me to prove him/her wrong; it's incumbent on him/her to prove that it's correct.
If I say that onebigmonkey is wrong, and assert that this fellow didn't make up his story (perhaps this is too subtle for you, but you might notice that I did not make any such claim), then I'll provide evidence.
Actually the burden of proof lies with you as are linking a story concerning alleged alien artifacts. Attempting to shift the burden of proof on obm is logical error. You must provide additional concrete proof, other than "he said". I didn't read the article, but it seems pretty likely that this is a hearsay evidence.
The implication that the government(NASA) killed this man is another aspect that must be proved, other than he is dead. Some forensic data that links NASA to the death, and "he said" is not sufficient.
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So he made the claims in 2001 and died in 2018 to keep him quiet. Makes sense !!! ::) ::)
No one said you people were good at this sort of thing!
when you say us people what do you mean. I'm an accounts officer from the UK ???
you see Nweber when you say we aren't very good I assume you mean the people covering up the hoax. if that's the case it was 17 years in between. I wouldn't call that not good I would call that appaling. Going onto another point brought up about Burden of proof I believe you made the first post so actually it is your burden of proof. just like those who suggest that nasa had this magical miles wide vacuum chamber. its on their shoulders to actually find this, find who built it, when etc etc etc.
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Besides, what motivation would NASA have to keep this secret? Imagine how much NASA's budget would balloon if they could report ET on the moon. Trying to keep it secret would be really shooting themselves in the foot.
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Here are the facts of the matter:
He made it up.
Any questions?
Just what someone involved in a cover up would say.
But how do we know he made it up? His claim was that when he was a technician fixing some equipment, someone told him there were structures on the moon, and they had photographs, which they showed to him. How do we know someone didn't actually tell him this, and show him some pictures of N'Djamena? Could have happened.
Because he claimed to have seen the photos before they were taken and nothing like that can be seen on any photo taken by anyone ever?
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Well, it's in The Sun so it must be true.... :o ::)
"The only way to understand the Press is to remember that they pander to their readers' prejudices."
- Sir Humphrey Appleby
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Yes, and I could have won the lottery this week. You need more evidence than a mere "could have happened."
You seem a little bit confused.
When onebigmonkey says "He made it up", it's not incumbent on me to prove him/her wrong; it's incumbent on him/her to prove that it's correct.
If I say that onebigmonkey is wrong, and assert that this fellow didn't make up his story (perhaps this is too subtle for you, but you might notice that I did not make any such claim), then I'll provide evidence.
You're not related to the poster "cain" from ISF by any chance?
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Here are the facts of the matter:
He made it up.
Any questions?
Just what someone involved in a cover up would say.
But how do we know he made it up? His claim was that when he was a technician fixing some equipment, someone told him there were structures on the moon, and they had photographs, which they showed to him. How do we know someone didn't actually tell him this, and show him some pictures of N'Djamena? Could have happened.
IF there were structures photographed on the moon, which were to be kept secret, nobody would show them to some dunce. There are two options: One - he made it up. Two - somebody yanked his chain, and he fell for it.
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Yes, and I could have won the lottery this week. You need more evidence than a mere "could have happened."
You seem a little bit confused.
When onebigmonkey says "He made it up", it's not incumbent on me to prove him/her wrong; it's incumbent on him/her to prove that it's correct.
If I say that onebigmonkey is wrong, and assert that this fellow didn't make up his story (perhaps this is too subtle for you, but you might notice that I did not make any such claim), then I'll provide evidence.
Extraordinary claims of this nature require extraordinary evidence of it being true. The burden of proof is solely on the people making, quite frankly, ridiculous statements.
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Dude, if there were legitimately aliens on the moon there’s literally no way NASA would keep quiet about it. They’d tell us immediately. So much astrobioligical research would be done. They would be provided so much funding. So many things.
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Dude, if there were legitimately aliens on the moon there’s literally no way NASA would keep quiet about it. They’d tell us immediately. So much astrobioligical research would be done. They would be provided so much funding. So many things.
Pretty much what I said last page.
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Sorry but I have to agree with nweber on this.
My Uncle was a whistleblower on Apollo and he once showed me his list of things to do.
1. Sneak onto set.
2. Sort out 'C' rock.
3. Plant cola bottle.
4. Leave photograph on landing foot.
5. Fill in pit under LM (important).
6. Report to NASA to touch up pictures to hide alien buildings on the moon. n.b. do it badly ( I know this negates 1 to 5 for obvious reasons but as he told me "a guys got to make a living").
7. Any other business.
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I'll get me coat!
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Sorry but I have to agree with nweber on this.
My Uncle was a whistleblower on Apollo and he once showed me his list of things to do.
1. Sneak onto set.
2. Sort out 'C' rock.
3. Plant cola bottle.
4. Leave photograph on landing foot.
5. Fill in pit under LM (important).
6. Report to NASA to touch up pictures to hide alien buildings on the moon. n.b. do it badly ( I know this negates 1 to 5 for obvious reasons but as he told me "a guys got to make a living").
7. Any other business.
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I'll get me coat!
You'll have to do better than this. This is nothing but BS, just a alleged list of beliefs that have been debunked to the Nth degree.
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Sorry but I have to agree with nweber on this.
My Uncle was a whistleblower on Apollo and he once showed me his list of things to do.
1. Sneak onto set.
2. Sort out 'C' rock.
3. Plant cola bottle.
4. Leave photograph on landing foot.
5. Fill in pit under LM (important).
6. Report to NASA to touch up pictures to hide alien buildings on the moon. n.b. do it badly ( I know this negates 1 to 5 for obvious reasons but as he told me "a guys got to make a living").
7. Any other business.
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I'll get me coat!
You'll have to do better than this. This is nothing but BS, just a alleged list of beliefs that have been debunked to the Nth degree.
Ahem! I think it was a joke... ;)
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Sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious. Especially the 'I'll get me coat bit'.
Maybe it's British humour not carrying.
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Sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious. Especially the 'I'll get me coat bit'.
Maybe it's British humour not carrying.
Aye, unfortunately coat getting isn't a well known paradigm in other parts of the world ;D
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Right over my head, sorry.
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Sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious. Especially the 'I'll get me coat bit'.
Maybe it's British humour not carrying.
Aye, unfortunately coat getting isn't a well known paradigm in other parts of the world ;D
Still, I think it stood as a spoof in itself. Apologies if you didn't catch it bknight.
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Right over my head, sorry.
Whoosh! ;) ;)
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There are two options: One - he made it up. Two - somebody yanked his chain, and he fell for it.
I would put my money on option 2. Having worked for DoD, and just knowing people in general, I have seen a LOT of gullibility and ignorance in this world. I once knew a marine who honestly believed that browned and wilted vegetation by the security fencing around a nuclear facility was due to radiation exposure, and the fence kept the radiation inside. Of course, the vegetation had been cut and sprayed to allow visual access to the fencing for security checks (something he SHOULD have known), and that is not how to contain radiation. I spent 10 to 15 minutes trying to explain this to him, and he seemed to condescendingly agree, but the deer in the headlights look remained.
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Hanlon's Razor applies. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
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There are two options: One - he made it up. Two - somebody yanked his chain, and he fell for it.
I would put my money on option 2. Having worked for DoD, and just knowing people in general, I have seen a LOT of gullibility and ignorance in this world. I once knew a marine who honestly believed that browned and wilted vegetation by the security fencing around a nuclear facility was due to radiation exposure, and the fence kept the radiation inside. Of course, the vegetation had been cut and sprayed to allow visual access to the fencing for security checks (something he SHOULD have known), and that is not how to contain radiation. I spent 10 to 15 minutes trying to explain this to him, and he seemed to condescendingly agree, but the deer in the headlights look remained.
You can pin the most incredible things on people who otherwise seem quite normal. I routinely use a hand gesture with my right hand to turn up the volume on the stereo in my car, concealing the volume control on the steering wheel with the palm of my left hand. 99 out of a 100 fall for it. Even mechanincs working at the dealership where I bought the car has fallen for it. And I know for a fact, that one person has asked for that feature in a new car at the dealer. The purpose of the trick is, to keep the volume of the music on a level where I am comfortable with it. The passengers spend the rest of the trip waving their arms at the stereo.
ETA: Even my sister, with a degree in language and trade, has fallen for it.
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You can pin the most incredible things on people who otherwise seem quite normal. I routinely use a hand gesture with my right hand to turn up the volume on the stereo in my car, concealing the volume control on the steering wheel with the palm of my left hand. 99 out of a 100 fall for it. Even mechanincs working at the dealership where I bought the car has fallen for it. And I know for a fact, that one person has asked for that feature in a new car at the dealer. The purpose of the trick is, to keep the volume of the music on a level where I am comfortable with it. The passengers spend the rest of the trip waving their arms at the stereo.
ETA: Even my sister, with a degree in language and trade, has fallen for it.
LOL..you are very bad man!
You should get BMW....some of them have gesture controls...
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LOL..you are very bad man!
I am. I know. I must repent. Later. Much later.
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Unfortunately, BMW does not sell cars with the specs and price I need for my work car. Currently I drive a 2½ year old Skoda Superb 2.0 TDi with 190 Hp. We are confined to a certain maximum fuel consumption - even though those numbers are entirely fictional.
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You can pin the most incredible things on people who otherwise seem quite normal. I routinely use a hand gesture with my right hand to turn up the volume on the stereo in my car, concealing the volume control on the steering wheel with the palm of my left hand. 99 out of a 100 fall for it. Even mechanincs working at the dealership where I bought the car has fallen for it. And I know for a fact, that one person has asked for that feature in a new car at the dealer. The purpose of the trick is, to keep the volume of the music on a level where I am comfortable with it. The passengers spend the rest of the trip waving their arms at the stereo.
ETA: Even my sister, with a degree in language and trade, has fallen for it.
LOL..you are very bad man!
You should get BMW....some of them have gesture controls...
Obvious fake video.... the steering wheel is on the wrong side!
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The problem with the story that "X said he was shown something amazing by Y" without any physical proof is:
1. X can be making it up. Even if there's no obvious benefit to him, he's getting attention. For many people, that's enough.
2. X could be truthful, but Y made it up. For the same reasons as in 1, but also because many people love the thrill of the hoax.
My father used to tell the most marvellous stories at the drop of a hat. When I reached my teens, I started to call him on those that didn't make sense. "But they're *good* stories," he'd say in his own defense. "Didn't you enjoy them?" He had no intention of truly mislead, just a yen to entertain. He figured that eventually, as I did, sensible listeners would realize they were just tall tales for fun.
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Besides, what motivation would NASA have to keep this secret? Imagine how much NASA's budget would balloon if they could report ET on the moon. Trying to keep it secret would be really shooting themselves in the foot.
I wanted to elaborate on this a bit. Not only does it not make sense that NASA would keep this a secret, they have actually DEMONSTRATED to behave contrary to what this claim would suggest. Following the Apollo 11, 12 and 14 missions, astronauts were placed into quarantine for a period of time. While the fear might have been minimal, there was a real fear of what alien bacteria/microbes, etc. the astronauts might have brought back from the moon. While this isn't as romantic as little green mean, the possible ramifications and the type of mass fear this could potentially result in would be similar. NASA made no attempts to keep this a secret. The astronauts did interviews from within these quarantine units. It was common knowledge that they were there, and why they were there. So, not only is there absolutely no reason to believe what the OP says based on the total lack of any supporting evidence, The ACTUAL demonstrated behavior by NASA is entirely inconsistent with what is suggested by the claim as well.
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Besides, what motivation would NASA have to keep this secret? Imagine how much NASA's budget would balloon if they could report ET on the moon. Trying to keep it secret would be really shooting themselves in the foot.
I wanted to elaborate on this a bit. Not only does it not make sense that NASA would keep this a secret, they have actually DEMONSTRATED to behave contrary to what this claim would suggest. Following the Apollo 11, 12 and 14 missions, astronauts were placed into quarantine for a period of time. While the fear might have been minimal, there was a real fear of what alien bacteria/microbes, etc. the astronauts might have brought back from the moon. While this isn't as romantic as little green mean, the possible ramifications and the type of mass fear this could potentially result in would be similar. NASA made no attempts to keep this a secret. The astronauts did interviews from within these quarantine units. It was common knowledge that they were there, and why they were there. So, not only is there absolutely no reason to believe what the OP says based on the total lack of any supporting evidence, The ACTUAL demonstrated behavior by NASA is entirely inconsistent with what is suggested by the claim as well.
As does the response to the Viking experiments and meteorite ALH84001
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The shock death comes as UFO hunters are still reeling from the death of another legendary whistleblower.
Retired US Army Command Sergeant Major Robert Dean died aged 89 on 11 October in Tucson, Arizona.
What kind of world do we live in when a whistleblower can't reasonably expect to make it to his 90th birthday? ::)