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Apollo Discussions => The Reality of Apollo => Topic started by: beedarko on July 19, 2015, 08:18:00 PM
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... last week of July. If anyone has photo requests, I'll be happy to try and fill them.
My first visit. Excited!
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Only request I have is take as many pictures as possible and post 'em lol!
Actually I do have one request. If they still have the A-4 from the Bonhomme Richard I'd like to see some shots of that. The Bonnie Dick was my dad's ship.
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Going to the main museum or the Udvar-Hazy Center by Dulles Airport? Both are terrific. (I live near D.C.)
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Enjoy your visit - both of Air and Space museums are simply amazing!
Another thing to check out in the same general area is Louray Caverns, which are some of the prettiest caves I've seen. If you like caves. :p
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If anyone has photo requests, I'll be happy to try and fill them.
If you get a chance, I'd love to see a photo of the lunar module window from roughly the same position that Neil took this:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5863.jpg
I've been trying to tell a hoaxnut that the reflection in Buzz's window is the lunar surface with a blue tint from the window's coating - not the blue Nevada sky as he asserts. Presumably LM-2 at the Air & Space Museum didn't have this coating as it was built for an unmanned mission, and I don't know how reflective the window is, but hopefully it will show the floor clearly enough. I've got a visit to KSC planned to have a look at LM-9 which should have the same windows as Apollo 11 LM-5.
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@DD Brock - You got it. I will do my best to find it.
@sts60 - The main one, but may try to visit both if we have time. (doing Gettysburg & Antietam trips too)
@Cat Not Included - Thanks for the suggestion! I hadn't heard of that place, but will definitely jot it down on my list.
@BertieSlack - Done. I probably would've gotten this shot anyway. :)
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If you are driving to Gettysburg, consider hiring a licensed guide (you can do this at the Visitor Center). They will drive your car and take you to key places while they narrate, freeing you to listen to their knowledgeable interpretation and pay attention to the sights. Some places you'll view from the car, others you'll get out and walk around.
It's heartbreaking to stand at the treeline where the Confederate troops staged for their final assault and stare across the vast open fields they had to cross before trying to charge uphill against dug-in Union positions and their cannon.
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Thanks STS. All these tips are very valuable to a person who's never been east of Kansas City. ;D
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If anyone has photo requests, I'll be happy to try and fill them.
If you get a chance, I'd love to see a photo of the lunar module window from roughly the same position that Neil took this:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5863.jpg
I've been trying to tell a hoaxnut that the reflection in Buzz's window is the lunar surface with a blue tint from the window's coating - not the blue Nevada sky as he asserts. Presumably LM-2 at the Air & Space Museum didn't have this coating as it was built for an unmanned mission, and I don't know how reflective the window is, but hopefully it will show the floor clearly enough. I've got a visit to KSC planned to have a look at LM-9 which should have the same windows as Apollo 11 LM-5.
Jack White tried that con earlier; I disproved him with shots of the LM at the Saturn V Hall at KSC. I can dig up the thread, if you like.
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Jack White tried that con earlier; I disproved him with shots of the LM at the Saturn V Hall at KSC. I can dig up the thread, if you like.
That would be very useful. Thanks.
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His original claim was here:
http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/hatchanomalies1.jpg
My rebuttal is here:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5911&page=3#entry53379
As you can see, Jack White was totally incompetent at "photo analysis" and despite having the rebuttals brought to their attention, Aulis prefer to maintain his lies for reasons best known to themselves (perhaps revenue from the website?).
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His original claim was here:
http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/hatchanomalies1.jpg
My rebuttal is here:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5911&page=3#entry53379
As you can see, Jack White was totally incompetent at "photo analysis" and despite having the rebuttals brought to their attention, Aulis prefer to maintain his lies for reasons best known to themselves (perhaps revenue from the website?).
Brilliant - just the job.
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@Obv & Bertie - perhaps that's a better discussion for the hoax forum? I purposely posted here because my topic was not hoax-related.
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I'm jealous, Beedarko! My parents brought me and my brothers to Washington when I was nine or ten years old (Ronald Reagan was President at the time), and I've been thinking about going there again ever since. I was actually planning on going at the beginning of July but I couldn't get enough time off work.
I would love see any pictures from the Air & Space museum that you would like to share. Have a good trip!
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I have a bunch of pictures I took in 2007: http://mcdormans.ca/photo/share/Apr2bncw (this is configured to expire at the end of August, so hurry before it's gone :-)
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I'm jealous, Beedarko! My parents brought me and my brothers to Washington when I was nine or ten years old (Ronald Reagan was President at the time), and I've been thinking about going there again ever since. I was actually planning on going at the beginning of July but I couldn't get enough time off work.
I would love see any pictures from the Air & Space museum that you would like to share. Have a good trip!
Thanks LO, I'll be happy to post links to them here once I return. Looks like I might be seeing both museums after all!
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It's heartbreaking to stand at the treeline where the Confederate troops staged for their final assault and stare across the vast open fields they had to cross before trying to charge uphill against dug-in Union positions and their cannon.
That is a memorable place. For me, it is up there with standing at the Bloody Pond at Shiloh, the historical existence of which, alas, is now considered apocryphal. In the opposite direction from DC, a somewhat more uplifting spot (from a this side of the Atlantic perspective) is the battle of Yorktown.
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My son (age 3) on his first visit to the National Air & Space Museum, 2011. :)
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t1.0-9/225348_172001256190942_4888887_n.jpg?oh=77b7863e57cb56ebebfec8861318b259&oe=56832BC8)
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His original claim was here:
http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/hatchanomalies1.jpg
My rebuttal is here:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5911&page=3#entry53379
As you can see, Jack White was totally incompetent at "photo analysis" and despite having the rebuttals brought to their attention, Aulis prefer to maintain his lies for reasons best known to themselves (perhaps revenue from the website?).
Is there another way to view the educational post? I keep getting a error about no prevalages.
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As you can see, Jack White was totally incompetent at "photo analysis" and despite having the rebuttals brought to their attention, Aulis prefer to maintain his lies for reasons best known to themselves (perhaps revenue from the website?).
From aulis:- "I have to admit, I am very surprised that someone with Jack's experience in photography could be making such errors and demonstrating a lack of understanding of the basics in photography."
I'm not surprised when I see how he made a complete and utter fool of himself when he testified as a so-called "expert witness" before the House Select Committee on Assassinations (JFK).
His testimony was torn apart
http://www.clavius.org/jackwhite.html
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His original claim was here:
http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/hatchanomalies1.jpg
My rebuttal is here:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5911&page=3#entry53379
As you can see, Jack White was totally incompetent at "photo analysis" and despite having the rebuttals brought to their attention, Aulis prefer to maintain his lies for reasons best known to themselves (perhaps revenue from the website?).
Is there another way to view the educational post? I keep getting a error about no prevalages.
Send me a PM with your details; I'll make you a member there if you like.
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If anyone has photo requests, I'll be happy to try and fill them.
If you get a chance, I'd love to see a photo of the lunar module window from roughly the same position that Neil took this:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5863.jpg
I've been trying to tell a hoaxnut that the reflection in Buzz's window is the lunar surface with a blue tint from the window's coating - not the blue Nevada sky as he asserts. Presumably LM-2 at the Air & Space Museum didn't have this coating as it was built for an unmanned mission, and I don't know how reflective the window is, but hopefully it will show the floor clearly enough. I've got a visit to KSC planned to have a look at LM-9 which should have the same windows as Apollo 11 LM-5.
Sorry guys, I'm only a month late. Real life gets in the way sometimes. ;)
Bertie, here's LM-2 for you. The blue spectral coating seems quite evident in my pics, as well as through direct observation. Granted there is a generous mix of artificial and natural lighting in the building, but there's no reflection of sky here.
(http://www.use.com/images/s_3/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_10.jpg)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_11.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=596021000062)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_8.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=897288276347)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_9.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=110827475786)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_12.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=84742530947)
Actually I do have one request. If they still have the A-4 from the Bonhomme Richard I'd like to see some shots of that. The Bonnie Dick was my dad's ship.
As requested DD. My lens wasn't quite as wide as I'd like for this area, but I gave it the ol' college try. :)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_4.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=409435636596)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_3.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=223154839360)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_2.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=412650962825)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_1.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=952558233168)
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A few more of interest: F1 exhaust nozzle & CM instrument cluster. I'll try to post more soon!
(http://www.use.com/images/s_3/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_7.jpg)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_3/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_6.jpg)
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Very nice images. Someday I'll go there, but not in the near future. The last museum I visited was the Natural History in London.
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That old A4 is in good shape! One of these days I want to see it in person. Thanks for posting!
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Me in front of Charlie Brown.. :)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2ed7e6c.jpg)
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Bertie, here's LM-2 for you.
Fantastic. Thanks for these.
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Me in front of Charlie Brown.. :)
Wouldn't it be great if someone one day found Snoopy?
http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/001171.html
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Me in front of Charlie Brown.. :)
Wouldn't it be great if someone one day found Snoopy?
http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/001171.html
Not beyond the bounds of possibility but it would be hard to recover in terms of size. The craft recovering it would have to encapsulate it. As I understand it, even the orbit would be difficult to plot due to the action of things like the solar wind.
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Me in front of Charlie Brown.. :)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2ed7e6c.jpg)
I'll see your Charlie Brown and raise you a Columbia. ;)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/2015_09_05_2_cf596572cd332e4f2783_2.jpg?is=true&ps=true)
Even got a closeup of the heat shield. When I was there, they hadn't yet encased it in Lucite. She was right out in the open.
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/2015_09_05_2_cf596572cd332e4f2783_1.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=271082533057)
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Not beyond the bounds of possibility but it would be hard to recover in terms of size. The craft recovering it would have to encapsulate it. As I understand it, even the orbit would be difficult to plot due to the action of things like the solar wind.
Yeah, recovering it would be the easy part. The really hard part would be to simply find it.
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An Arby's 2-for-1 coupon to the first aviation geek who can identify this object. ;)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/2015_09_05_3_e17cb2b2aa64a0668469_1.jpg?is=true&ps=true)
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An Arby's 2-for-1 coupon to the first aviation geek who can identify this object. ;)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/2015_09_05_3_e17cb2b2aa64a0668469_1.jpg?is=true&ps=true)
A recovered part of Columbia?
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An Arby's 2-for-1 coupon to the first aviation geek who can identify this object. ;)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/2015_09_05_3_e17cb2b2aa64a0668469_1.jpg?is=true&ps=true)
A recovered part of Columbia?
Negative.
Hint: This craft did not go to space.
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Me in front of Charlie Brown.. :)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2ed7e6c.jpg)
I'll see your Charlie Brown and raise you a Columbia. ;)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/2015_09_05_2_cf596572cd332e4f2783_2.jpg?is=true&ps=true)
Even got a closeup of the heat shield. When I was there, they hadn't yet encased it in Lucite. She was right out in the open.
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/2015_09_05_2_cf596572cd332e4f2783_1.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=271082533057)
Is that darker mark toward the top where a thinner amount of heat shield exists or just the lighting?
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Is that darker mark toward the top where a thinner amount of heat shield exists or just the lighting?
The dark patch is where a large chunk of the outer skin is missing. The honeycomb pattern of the remaining shielding is still visible, as well as a round, exposed section which I'm assuming might be a structural point. I'm sure Jay or someone more familiar with the CM design could do a better job of identifying it.
Here's a better view:
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/2015_09_06_1_2318eda09dad31bca6c8_1.jpg?is=true&ps=true)
More erosion from the edge:
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/2015_09_06_1_2318eda09dad31bca6c8_2.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=995962354120)
Mercury 7's shield for comparison:
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/sorted/2015_09_06_1_2318eda09dad31bca6c8_3.jpg?is=true&ps=true&rand=258668613387)
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An Arby's 2-for-1 coupon to the first aviation geek who can identify this object. ;)
It's an inanimate carbon rod!
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An Arby's 2-for-1 coupon to the first aviation geek who can identify this object. ;)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/2015_09_05_3_e17cb2b2aa64a0668469_1.jpg?is=true&ps=true)
Wing tip of the Rutan Voyager?
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An Arby's 2-for-1 coupon to the first aviation geek who can identify this object. ;)
(http://www.use.com/images/s_5/2015_09_05_3_e17cb2b2aa64a0668469_1.jpg?is=true&ps=true)
Wing tip of the Rutan Voyager?
You might just be right...
(http://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?max_w=540&id=http://airandspace.si.edu/webimages/previews/9564p.jpg)
...note the ceiling tiles and the two-tone grey pattern on the far wall.
I think its the wing-tip with the winglet removed! Actually, I seem to remember something I saw on a Discovery programme about the winglets breaking off during takeoff...forced down by the fuel load and impacted the runway, or something like that.
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The dark patch is where a large chunk of the outer skin is missing. The honeycomb pattern of the remaining shielding is still visible, as well as a round, exposed section which I'm assuming might be a structural point. I'm sure Jay or someone more familiar with the CM design could do a better job of identifying it.
Then Those missing areas may be the sign of handling or pieces breaking off during handling.
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Wing tip of the Rutan Voyager?
Tell him what he's won, Johnny!
I still remember watching the takeoff live on TV. The one winglet was badly damaged and sort of flapping around. A chase plane was following and monitoring its progress, and eventually it ripped away. There was some discussion about whether they should abort the flight, but it was decided that it likely didn't compromise the wing integrity, so they flew on.
History!
;D
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Wing tip of the Rutan Voyager?
Tell him what he's won, Johnny!
I still remember watching the takeoff live on TV. The one winglet was badly damaged and sort of flapping around. A chase plane was following and monitoring its progress, and eventually it ripped away. There was some discussion about whether they should abort the flight, but it was decided that it likely didn't compromise the wing integrity, so they flew on.
History!
;D
Landing Voyager with a full fuel load would have been very, very risky.
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Wing tip of the Rutan Voyager?
Tell him what he's won, Johnny!
I still remember watching the takeoff live on TV. The one winglet was badly damaged and sort of flapping around. A chase plane was following and monitoring its progress, and eventually it ripped away. There was some discussion about whether they should abort the flight, but it was decided that it likely didn't compromise the wing integrity, so they flew on.
History!
;D
My train of thought was "why would the museum display something damaged?", as most of the articles there are restored. It had to be something damaged when it did whatever it was famous for. Which made me recall the Voyager damaging it's wingtip taking off for it's historic flight around the globe. Checked to see if it was in the collection, and bingo, there it was, including the photo of it in what appeared to be the same hall as your photo.
There's no Arby's within a hundred miles of me, so you can donate that coupon to the charity of your choice ;)
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Before I forget again, Beedarko, thanks for all the great photos. I need to get my butt down to that museum sometime in the not too distant future.
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Before I forget again, Beedarko, thanks for all the great photos. I need to get my butt down to that museum sometime in the not too distant future.
You are certainly welcome Baz. I just wish I could've stayed longer to take it all in! Very much worth the visit, and..... completely free! What's not to love? 8)
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(http://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?max_w=540&id=http://airandspace.si.edu/webimages/previews/9564p.jpg)
Rutan would love that photo: Two of his creations next to the Apollo 11 capsule in the Milestones of Flight Hall. :)
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(http://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?max_w=540&id=http://airandspace.si.edu/webimages/previews/9564p.jpg)
Rutan would love that photo: Two of his creations next to the Apollo 11 capsule in the Milestones of Flight Hall. :)
Yep, I'd say that's some pretty good company. :)
Voyager is just massive. You don't really get a sense of scale until you stand underneath the thing.
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Sorry guys, I'm only a month late. Real life gets in the way sometimes. ;)
Bertie, here's LM-2 for you. The blue spectral coating seems quite evident in my pics, as well as through direct observation. Granted there is a generous mix of artificial and natural lighting in the building, but there's no reflection of sky here.
(http://www.use.com/images/s_3/Air_d86ae4d9e02fdbf46d25_10.jpg)
Shamelessly stolen a couple of these images for use in an argument with a hoax nut.. Many Thanks. :)