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Title: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Inanimate Carbon Rod on August 23, 2012, 08:35:47 PM
I came across this intriguing picture Apollo 16 picture, AS16-114-18423, which the cranks at DavidIcke.com say is proof of a UFO  ;D

(http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo16/med/as16-114-18423.jpg)

Taken from

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo16/html/as16-114-18423.html (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo16/html/as16-114-18423.html)

The image shows two interesting interesting blobs above and to the left of Charlie Dukes head. Does anyone know what they might be? Lense flare, perhaps?
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Halcyon Dayz, FCD on August 23, 2012, 09:31:33 PM
Their axis of symmetry is on the line running from the light source through the centre of the image.
That's always a good indicator of a lens artefact.

Compare with this (http://www.photokaboom.com/photography/learn/ebooks/Beechers_Handouts/17d_focal_length_flare.htm).
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Jason Thompson on August 24, 2012, 03:11:42 AM
Combined with the other cues in that image, yes, lens flare is exactly what those blobs are. Their position, the fact that they are in a pair like that, and the clear position of the Sun in that image doesn't leave much other explanation.

But of course HBs insist things like lens flare never happen, so they won't buy it anyway.
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Tedward on August 24, 2012, 03:33:23 AM
Keeping it secret aren't they. You would think with all the photoshop skills in the 60's and 70's they would have air brushed it out.
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: raven on August 24, 2012, 08:10:03 AM
I love how there is both conspiracy theorists who think Apollo was faked and ones who think the Apollo record has UFO that were alien spacecraft.
Two houses, both alike in (lack of) dignity.
The flame wars must be epic, and me without my marshmallows.
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Grashtel on August 24, 2012, 09:05:41 PM
I love how there is both conspiracy theorists who think Apollo was faked and ones who think the Apollo record has UFO that were alien spacecraft.
And in certain special cases both that Apollo was faked and that it shows the existence of aliens, without acknowledging (or even apparently recognising) the inherent contradiction
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: raven on August 25, 2012, 12:56:56 AM
I love how there is both conspiracy theorists who think Apollo was faked and ones who think the Apollo record has UFO that were alien spacecraft.
And in certain special cases both that Apollo was faked and that it shows the existence of aliens, without acknowledging (or even apparently recognising) the inherent contradiction
If doublethink was a problem for conspiracy theorists, I doubt they'd be conspiracy theorists. :P
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Glom on August 25, 2012, 08:57:14 AM
Combined with the other cues in that image, yes, lens flare is exactly what those blobs are. Their position, the fact that they are in a pair like that, and the clear position of the Sun in that image doesn't leave much other explanation.

But of course HBs insist things like lens flare never happen, so they won't buy it anyway.

J.J. Abrams is also a government conspiracy.
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Echnaton on August 29, 2012, 07:08:38 PM
Combined with the other cues in that image, yes, lens flare is exactly what those blobs are. Their position, the fact that they are in a pair like that, and the clear position of the Sun in that image doesn't leave much other explanation.

But of course HBs insist things like lens flare never happen, so they won't buy it anyway.

J.J. Abrams is also a government conspiracy.
But which government?
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Andromeda on August 30, 2012, 05:59:33 AM
Combined with the other cues in that image, yes, lens flare is exactly what those blobs are. Their position, the fact that they are in a pair like that, and the clear position of the Sun in that image doesn't leave much other explanation.

But of course HBs insist things like lens flare never happen, so they won't buy it anyway.

J.J. Abrams is also a government conspiracy.
But which government?

The shadowy World Government, of course.

Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: RedneckR0nin on August 30, 2012, 06:35:54 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Echnaton on August 30, 2012, 09:58:03 AM
Combined with the other cues in that image, yes, lens flare is exactly what those blobs are. Their position, the fact that they are in a pair like that, and the clear position of the Sun in that image doesn't leave much other explanation.

But of course HBs insist things like lens flare never happen, so they won't buy it anyway.

J.J. Abrams is also a government conspiracy.
But which government?

The shadowy World Government, of course.

Hidden within the shadows of all those lens flairs, no doubt. 
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Noldi400 on December 23, 2012, 02:36:06 PM
And of course Oliver Stone is a government shill disinformation agent.
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: gillianren on December 23, 2012, 03:07:45 PM
No, just an overrated director!
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: bknight on December 08, 2015, 05:51:37 PM
I came across this intriguing picture Apollo 16 picture, AS16-114-18423, which the cranks at DavidIcke.com say is proof of a UFO  ;D

(http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo16/med/as16-114-18423.jpg)

Taken from

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo16/html/as16-114-18423.html (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo16/html/as16-114-18423.html)

The image shows two interesting interesting blobs above and to the left of Charlie Dukes head. Does anyone know what they might be? Lense flare, perhaps?
I have a slightly different question concerning this image.
When magnified there is two bright spots right above the horizon is Charlie's visor, stacked on top of each other.  What could these be?(I got the lens flair in the upper part of the image)
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: Allan F on December 08, 2015, 06:50:53 PM
The other astronaut. He's a bit fuzzy because the side registered in the camera is in direct sunlight. He took the photo, of course.
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: bknight on December 08, 2015, 07:00:06 PM
The other astronaut. He's a bit fuzzy because the side registered in the camera is in direct sunlight. He took the photo, of course.
Not what I was looking at, almost directly above John's or Charlie's reflected shadow image. Two yellowish round shapes located at the same location as the surface.

OK I see what you are describing.

EDIT to better describe question

EDIT 2 to answer Allan
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: ka9q on December 08, 2015, 11:01:50 PM
You mean in Charlie's visor? That's the reflection of John Young, who was taking the picture.

Between John's reflection and the reflection of Charlie's shadow there's a bright patch of surface. It's bright because the camera sees it (via the reflection) at almost zero phase angle. This is called the opposition effect and it explains why the full moon is much more than twice as bright as a half moon. And a full moon is at its very brightest immediately before and after a lunar eclipse.

Simple rule for visor reflections: the image of the camera taking the picture always appears in the visor at the point on the visor closest to the camera.
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: bknight on December 08, 2015, 11:35:11 PM
You mean in Charlie's visor? That's the reflection of John Young, who was taking the picture.

Between John's reflection and the reflection of Charlie's shadow there's a bright patch of surface. It's bright because the camera sees it (via the reflection) at almost zero phase angle. This is called the opposition effect and it explains why the full moon is much more than twice as bright as a half moon. And a full moon is at its very brightest immediately before and after a lunar eclipse.

Simple rule for visor reflections: the image of the camera taking the picture always appears in the visor at the point on the visor closest to the camera.
Yes in Charlie's visor, when I first looked at it I couldn't figure out what it was, but Allan said it was John, and after relooking at it I can "see" a figure although fuzzy at best.
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: smartcooky on December 09, 2015, 01:12:00 AM
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98915197/ApolloHoax/DukeVisor.png)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_surge
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: onebigmonkey on December 09, 2015, 02:30:20 AM
On a kind of related note, I posted this at Collectspace and it fits here. In AS12-49-4278

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21683293425/in/album-72157656712716754/

You can see the reflection of Pete Conrad in Al Bean's visor.

In Pete Conradf's visor you can see Al Bean :D

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2iqo8x1.jpg)

(Apologies if this is too large - I'm posting from work and the image filter prevents me from using my hosting service!).
Title: Re: Apollo 16 photograph shows UFO?
Post by: bknight on December 09, 2015, 07:11:03 AM
I'll bet if the resolution was better you might see  the more reflected images within secondary images.Thanks