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Offline QuietElite

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Clavius: missing photos
« on: October 12, 2017, 04:29:16 PM »
clavius.org doesnt show pictures anymore which are important for illustration purposes. Does someone know if the website is still maintained ? It would be bad when it stays in that way since it is a great source for hoax claim debunks.

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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 05:28:35 PM »
Yes, the site is still maintained.  The hosting company recently switched to a new virtualization management system and the photos haven't worked right since.  I have a ticket open with them for this problem.
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Offline QuietElite

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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 06:09:22 PM »
Yes, the site is still maintained.  The hosting company recently switched to a new virtualization management system and the photos haven't worked right since.  I have a ticket open with them for this problem.

Ok good to know  :)
It seems that something like that is currently a sprawling problem one the internet. I recently saw on many other websites that there are images missing or that the image is replaced by some sort of "error image".

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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2017, 08:29:39 AM »
Oh I can see the clamor, images taken down as they are/were fake.  Good luck Jay on getting the fix in place.
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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 05:23:02 AM »
The layout graphics are gone too.

I checked out the site to link to Occam's Razor because the HB at cosmobaut really needs to understand not jumping to wild conclusions on flimsy pretexts, but it's now just text. No buttons.

Offline bknight

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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 08:38:58 AM »
The layout graphics are gone too.

I checked out the site to link to Occam's Razor because the HB at cosmobaut really needs to understand not jumping to wild conclusions on flimsy pretexts, but it's now just text. No buttons.

He does need a lot of help in even understanding his position, apparently taken from Mary Bennett's calculation of the radiation received during the Orion mission in 2014.
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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 05:41:42 AM »
I'm hopeful this is fixed soon.

I was all excited to send a skeptic to Jay's site yesterday because she was interested in what she described as "shadow anomalies", but left disappointed when I noticed the image links were broken.

Jay, if you've found no joy with your provider and need an offsite image host, I'd be happy to volunteer my dedicated server, as I have a lot of leftover bandwidth that isn't being used.  PM me if interested.

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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 01:56:27 PM »
It doesn't appear to be a problem with the hosting.  The problem appears to be with the 1990s vintage HTML.  I'm working on it.
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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2017, 07:31:55 PM »
It doesn't appear to be a problem with the hosting.  The problem appears to be with the 1990s vintage HTML.  I'm working on it.

I'm pretty sure <img src="blahblah.com/c-rock.jpg"> still works.   ;)

Anyway, good luck with your efforts, sir.  The ultimate Apollo site needs to return to its former glory.

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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 07:51:45 AM »
Hi,
Thanks for setting up such a forum!

The Clavius site seems still not to work after months...
Anything we could do to help?
Is there any direct link to the images?

For example:
http://www.clavius.org/img/banner.jpg
=> Not Found

However:
http://www.clavius.org/img/
=> Forbidden

So the directory exists, but I'm not allowed to see it's index.
I tried a few variations:
banner.JPG
BANNER.JPG
and the like, without success yet.

But maybe someone with the appropriate right could tell:
- if the img/ directory is empty or does indeed contains images
- if the name of the images is as expected (and so it' a right problem) or slightly different (and I may be able to read some).

Thanks.

TK

Offline JayUtah

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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2018, 12:38:20 PM »
As far as I can tell all the images should be working now.  If you run across any pages with missing Clavius-hosted images, post the link in this thread.

As far as what happened, I'm one of the oldest customers of this particular hosting company.  As such, my account has gone through numerous upgrades in technology, and avoided some by grandfather policies.  So clavius.org ended up being a corner case of all the corner cases for their migration to a new authentication, control panel, and hardware infrastructure.  I graciously let the programmers use it as a guinea pig to work out the bugs, the final step of which (last week) being that we inadvertently zorched all the images off their space and I had to restore them all from an offsite backup.  Just goes to show that software is non-trivial even for something as straightforward as hosting.
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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2018, 01:04:18 PM »
I was just wondering this morning about how good the internet will be at preserving information from our time period for future generations, when compared to books and printed photographs. I'm not super confident. Digital information should be easy to convert from old formats to new ones, but in reality it isn't.

Both of our websites are examples of how server technology has changed and the older information on them hasn't been properly protected from those changes, at least not without some effort on our part. And on top of that, the preservation of the information our websites depends on someone continuing to pay the bill after we're gone.

Our websites are almost 20 years old now (yikes!). I'm not sure they will be around in another 20. Paper deteriorates over time, but it definitely has it's advantages.
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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2018, 09:49:26 AM »
I was just wondering this morning about how good the internet will be at preserving information from our time period for future generations, when compared to books and printed photographs. I'm not super confident. Digital information should be easy to convert from old formats to new ones, but in reality it isn't.

Both of our websites are examples of how server technology has changed and the older information on them hasn't been properly protected from those changes, at least not without some effort on our part. And on top of that, the preservation of the information our websites depends on someone continuing to pay the bill after we're gone.

Our websites are almost 20 years old now (yikes!). I'm not sure they will be around in another 20. Paper deteriorates over time, but it definitely has it's advantages.



If it can be manipulated it will be, remember Murphy?  well he was an optimist. :)
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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2018, 11:06:51 AM »
It's why the Library of Congress hasn't digitized its film collection.
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Re: Clavius: missing photos
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2018, 01:10:36 PM »
To be sure, my hosting company keeps offsite backups of its own in a literal bunker.  But I agree these forms are all largely ephemeral when compared to some of the originals.  Old film is a poor archival medium because it is subject to chemical decay (acetate produces acetic acid, I'm told).  Celluloid is subject to a similar decay.  The camera originals from Apollo are undergoing dye shifts, prompting them to be digitized at high resolution if only to have a record of them as they are before future decay occurs.  Ironically I received an initial copy of Roll 39, digitized from camera originals in lossless format at a zillion DPI.  Damned now if I can find the hard disk they were stored on.
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